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 Post subject: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:00 pm 
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Hey, I'm a so soon to be mother with my first born and of course throughout my entire pregnancy I have been vegan. Which means my daughter has never had ANY animal products inside her tiny little body, not even medicines I have been prescribed by my OBG/YN. I have found ways to help my ion on my own and of course vegan prenatal vitamins.

Kylie is due in October, and I know generally babies get vaccines as soon as they're born. BUT the vaccines are definitely NOT vegan! and there are NO alternatives..... I don't want her pumped up with egg protein and gelatin as soon as she is born! I have read articles where a lot of vegan parents just dont get there children vaccinated, and then there are some who say the one time is necessary...

I dont want the vaccines, but I am terrified of what might happen if I dont get them, like her becoming sick... and I am also worried about enrolling her in school later down the line, because some school (at least when i was 5) wont allow children to participate if they're not vaccinated.

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:52 pm 
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Vaccinations definitely do more good than harm. They really are essential to ensure that society stays healthy and free of epidemics. Getting your kids vaccinated is a potentially non-vegan thing that I think we have to do in modern society...

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:27 pm 
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You can Google on it, but a year or two ago the British pediatrician ( pediatrician in private practice.........not a medical researcher with the resources of formal studies ) who started the anti-vaccine movement was discredited.

It was discovered that he based everything he said on examining only 13 children.

He was also caught falsifying data

The National Institute Of Health and a few similar international health organizations spent years investigating the claims of anti-vaccination activists. Millions of dollars were spent on that research and no proof for any of the claims was found.

Additionally, many childhood diseases once banished are making a comeback because there are many parents skipping vaccinations. Not only do their own kids get sick, but other children who come into contact with their children get sick too.

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:13 pm 
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My son is 9 months, born at home, vegan, has never seen a doctor and perfectly healthy.
The only thing he has had was a vitamin k shot that our midwife recommended since he was three weeks early.

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:27 pm 
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thanks for the tips.

what are you planning on doing to do for school xChiszx?


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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:04 pm 
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Flowerchild wrote:
because some school (at least when i was 5) wont allow children to participate if they're not vaccinated.

help!

Kinda weird that they dont let kids who are NOT vaccinated to participate. If all the other kids have been vaccinated then what are they afraid of? The vaccinated kids shouldnt get sick then right .. right?

I quit vaccinating myself many years ago.. flu shots.. everything. That is willingly putting poison into the body. No thanks. I am not a mother.... yet. I dont plan to be for a couple more years but I will not poison my future children thats for sure. You're right they are not vegan nor are they healthy.

Check these articles out.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036006_vacci ... _form.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/034349_autis ... unked.html

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
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There is a growing consortium of pediatricians who will not take a new patient if there parents don't vaccinate them.

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:52 am 
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Absolutely get vaccinations. Or rather, I know this is a personal choice, but I urge you strongly to get the vaccinations, even if you alter the schedule slightly.

Vaccinations are vital for herd immunity, which is part of why schools are so strict about them. They also don't want deliberately unvaccinated children around other students who cannot receive vaccinations because they are immunosuppressed or otherwise incompatible. This includes newborns and the elderly.

There is no link between vaccines and autism, period. Vaccines do not contain dangerous levels of mercury. Anyone claiming otherwise has been misinformed.

From a pediatrician:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... _vaccines/

Rebuttal to some general anti-vax claims:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... ost-naked/

Rebuttal of concerns about mercury/thimerosal:
http://antiantivax.flurf.net/#Thimerosal
http://skepdic.com/autismthimerosal.html

Rebuttal to accusations of "toxins" in vaccines:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... -vaccines/
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/0 ... ients.html

Studies show no link between vaccines and autism:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... se-autism/

Why the NVIC is so very wrong:
http://www.skepdic.com/fisherbl.html

Testimonial from an immunosuppressed MD:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/opini ... .html?_r=2

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:30 am 
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blabbate wrote:
Vaccinations are vital for herd immunity, which is part of why schools are so strict about them. They also don't want deliberately unvaccinated children around other students who cannot receive vaccinations because they are immunosuppressed or otherwise incompatible. This includes newborns and the elderly.


Exactly, the choice to not get one's child vaccinated isn't just the personal choice of the parent. It is a choice they are imposing on their child which may kill their child, kill other children and make other people sick.


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There is no link between vaccines and autism, period. Vaccines do not contain dangerous levels of mercury. Anyone claiming otherwise has been misinformed.

From a pediatrician:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... _vaccines/

Rebuttal to some general anti-vax claims:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... ost-naked/

Rebuttal of concerns about mercury/thimerosal:
http://antiantivax.flurf.net/#Thimerosal
http://skepdic.com/autismthimerosal.html

Rebuttal to accusations of "toxins" in vaccines:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... -vaccines/
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/0 ... ients.html

Studies show no link between vaccines and autism:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... se-autism/

Why the NVIC is so very wrong:
http://www.skepdic.com/fisherbl.html

Testimonial from an immunosuppressed MD:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/opini ... .html?_r=2


So awesome that you are providing references for your opinion and simply not repeating web board folklore.

I'm going to save these references and read them.

+1

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:43 am 
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blabbate wrote:
Absolutely get vaccinations. Or rather, I know this is a personal choice, but I urge you strongly to get the vaccinations, even if you alter the schedule slightly.

Seconded.

Thanks for the links. My favourite thing was in the first article about toxins, where he quotes some guy who tried to make sucrose (table sugar) in vaccines sound dangerous!

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:14 pm 
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I just saw this related article from Time:

http://healthland.time.com/2012/08/23/a ... ight-gain/

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:57 am 
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About Schools,...as I did both and I live in a high traffic border city- and I placated my children's non Veg dad ( I was vegetarian, not vegan when my kids were born decades ago, or so it seems, and I HAVE BEEN kicked out of a pediatric practice for not doing what the doc's suggested- My crowning glory ( it really was):
After grade school, I put my foot down on ALL vaccines (my middle developed whooping cough in 6th grade anyways)- ALL SCHOOLS, ALL DISTRICTS, ALL STATES-
You can sign a waiver and submit to the schools and say, "NO, I am not doing any vaccinations",.in doing so, you say you are responsible and will not sue any one if an epidemic breaks out, that you are aware of the inherent health considerations, and if an epidemic should break out- you will not send your child to the school, nor hold anyone responsible for any disease contracted, should one be contracted.

However, please keep in mind- Polio has been practically eradicated due to vaccines. I encourage you to keep an open mind to the benefits modern medicine does carry and strike up a healthy balance between traditional and non traditional medicines ( you will hear to it referred to an Allopathic vs. homeopathic)- as we did both for years, and my kids have been traditonally med free except for things like severe asthma, whooping cough, strep and staph infections, and we had Respiratory Syndrome Virus sweep through when my daughter was 9 months ( she is 16 now)-


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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:29 am 
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These just came out yesterday

Intentionally Unvaccinated Students Putting Other Children at Risk

Study says unvaccinated students putting other students at risk

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:10 am 
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divamom wrote:
You can sign a waiver and submit to the schools and say, "NO, I am not doing any vaccinations",.in doing so, you say you are responsible and will not sue any one if an epidemic breaks out, that you are aware of the inherent health considerations, and if an epidemic should break out- you will not send your child to the school, nor hold anyone responsible for any disease contracted, should one be contracted.

This is a massive misunderstanding of herd immunity and the actual dangers of refusing vaccination. Your child is not the only one at risk, and your agreement not to sue or send your child to school if an epidemic breaks out doesn't help prevent the epidemic from happening in the first place, nor does it protect the other students.

divamom wrote:
However, please keep in mind- Polio has been practically eradicated due to vaccines. I encourage you to keep an open mind to the benefits modern medicine does carry and strike up a healthy balance between traditional and non traditional medicines ( you will hear to it referred to an Allopathic vs. homeopathic)- as we did both for years, and my kids have been traditonally med free except for things like severe asthma, whooping cough, strep and staph infections, and we had Respiratory Syndrome Virus sweep through when my daughter was 9 months ( she is 16 now)-

Homeopathy does nothing, and anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

General info:
http://www.1023.org.uk/
http://www.skepdic.com/homeo.html

Studies show that homeopathy is no more effective than placebos:
http://www.hutch.demon.co.uk/prescrire/
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... homeo.html

Comprehensive study of homeopathic test studies from 1945 to 1995 (spoiler alert: they're horribly flawed):
http://www.clubdelarazon.org/downloads/ ... a45-95.pdf

Studies and condemnations from the House of Commons STC and the CBC:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... in-the-uk/
http://www.skepticnorth.com/2011/01/cbc ... -a-review/

Also, homeopathy in place of traditional medicine can be fatal:
http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html

And finally, just for fun:
http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2 ... pathy.html

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 Post subject: Re: Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?
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^^^^ +1 ^^^^

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