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that's a debate that I've already had in another post. I do limit my driving. The pigs blood in the plywood of my house bothers me I see a small difference in that animal testing is a willful intent, where as some animal products are left over from other cruel industries. Not much difference tho. Its precisely why I don't want to be a part of this world and deeply question taking a medication that allows me to stay here.

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Even the most hardcore animal rights activists I've known and the most unforgiving ivory tower ethicists I've read accept the things you have mentioned as reasonable. You have as much right to be here as they or anyone else does. Sometimes when you are not feeling well things like bleaker than they are. Cut yourself a break. You can do a lot of good with you weight lifting by showing a lot of people that you do not have to eat a nasty diet to be very strong and healthy.

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I tend not to listen to what animal rights activists and ethicists think because it isn't the same opinion as a lab rat would have. Animals don't willingly suffer and give their lives, and nobody asks/considers their opinion. Ethicists etc still value human life over animal life...but I place value depending on an organisms ability to suffer. Which is equal between humans and most animals.
Sadly I'm in a small town so my vegan impact isn't much if anything so far.

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You look amazing, good job !! Chainsaw kinda freaked me out a little but I got over that fairly fast as I moved through the rest of the pics hehe. Well done !!

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You are doing more to live in a better way than most people. You have a right to exist and you have a right to be happy.

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a right to be happy....I question that. Says who? Only people. We imagine we have that right. We don't give animals a right to exist or be happy so giving it to ourselves seems greedy to me and I don't want any part of that.

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I hear what you are saying about animals, but I can't grasp the logic of going through your life having made a choice to be consciously unhappy IMHO everybody has a right to be happy; by choosing not to be happy would also affect any humans or animals you have contact with (animals are great at picking up the mood and/or mental state that we're in). When I was happy my dog used to be happy too, when I was down he was down as well. If one of my work colleagues is having a bad day I usually pick up on it and I start to feel the same way. If I am brutally honest, if I knew someone that appeared to be deliberately unhappy I definately would limit the time I spent with them (excluding depression of course, as if that were the case I'd try and work with them to get through)

When I'm feeling unhappy, hard done by or whatever I just think of those less fortunate than myself and realise I have so much to be thankful for. Sometimes it will spur me to make a donation to the RSPCA or just donate some dog or cat food to one of our local animal shelters. You only get one life (that we know of anyway), so we should all be using our vegetarian/vegan status as a positive thing otherwise it's not going to inspire many people is it ?!

Sorry for the long post, and there's nothing personal in it so please don't read into anything. I just think anybody and everybody has the right to go through life as a happy person with the ability and possibility of empowering others with their beliefs

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we differ in opinions I guess. I don't "choose" unhappiness, I choose to live my natural life without using other species. Some people are born happy and some aren't. That's reality. A lot of us are vegan because we don't want to use animals for our food. Some of us take it further than that. No other animal should have to suffer in my place to make a medication so that I can be happy instead of it.

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I don't think happiness is a constant state, it's something that comes and goes and is largely out of our control. I don't think there is such a thing as a "right" to be happy, that seems like a man-made concept. You're either happy at a given point, or you're not. Some people will find their lives and experiences more positive than others, some will be very low or unhappy a lot of the time for whatever reason.

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Thanks Richard, very few people ever validate what I think.

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Nice, I find this discussion on happiness very thought provoking, thanks for sharing all. Great pics Chainsaw girl, you can tell you have put in work.

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Hey precision female,
You look great, all your time at the gym has really paid off. You should be very proud.

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I have had this debate many times and would prefer it not to be in this thread. I am not asking for help or advice here. It does not interest me to ignore things that are unpleasant and replace then with "happy thoughts".

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looking great and very fit vegan powered

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precision, I know what you mean. a lot of the things i've learned in life have made me less happy than i was before i knew them. would it have been better to remain in blissful ignorance. maybe, in some respects. but i'm a curious animal, and i can't unlearn what i've learned. i'm reading a book about the racism in the criminal justice system called "the new jim crow" by michelle alexander and i can't believe all the awful things that are going on in this country that i never knew about. it makes me cry. but for some reason i'd prefer to know the truth that these things are happening than blindly smile and think that we live in a fair and just society. maybe on some level my depressive personality is drawn to learning about depressing truths. i dunno. the truth is we have no rights. we have privileges that are granted to us by the powerful, and the powerful can just as easily take those privileges away from us.

anyway, if something is true and it's upsetting, should i just pretend it's not true for the sake of being happy? that's what most of us do, to be honest. that's why we all live our lives as if gobal climate change isn't real and isn't happening right now. it's just too horrible to think about. but because we don't want to think about it, we are powerless to do anything about it until it's too late.