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Yes, Opposing Views. The disscussion is not as clear cut as it may seem. and I dont think anybody will attack you after the mod made his presence evident, If they do I got your back

As silly as it may sound this does seem to make a little bit of sense, However the logistics of such an operation wont work, especially if you dont live near a forest

Anyone know who this joker is? I really wish this wasn't such a hot debate in our movement. How can we claim to be ending suffering when our pets consume it daily? I kid, I kid...

My mother bought the dog vegan treats b4 and they seem to suck. She will only eat them in front of us in order to please us, but for the most part these treats end up under the couch.

Bears do it b/c it works, if it didnt theyd be extinct or there would be another variety that doesnt eat fish( yogi bear?). Should humans be vegan? I can say 99.9% yes, the amount of of resources that are wasted on rasing animals for slaughter is ridiculous + ethical reasons+religous reasons+philosophical reasons etc, just outway all of the baseless arguments for not being vegan. But of course you already know this.

the taurine in NO is vegan?

Yes, Yes and Yes... I find your dissertation a pleasure to read as well as very informative. Your pointing out the ambiguity of the subject definetly makes your argument a very credible one... you may have even swayed my opinion a little bit, Good job

WHAT?? this statement is so out of bounds. you are imposing a meat diet on your dog as much as he is imposing a vegan one on his. if anyone you are in lack of ethical responsibility. Dogs are just domesticated wolves (oversimplification but you get the point), Wolves thrive on hunting other animals for MEAT. Now if certain industry practices dont let you sleep at night, change to an organic or freerange dog/cat food company, whatever suits you. BUT where do you draw the line, are you gonna veganize lions, tigers and bears(ohh my)? Dont mess with natural processes. Veganizing a dog or cat is just as bad as their domestication thousands of years ago, Its not natural. Then again because of their domestication maybe its not such a necessity b/c of their much less active and less demanding lives. either way the human interference with natural processes is not necessarly correct even when backed by the best intentions A majority of people say its natural for humans to eat meat too. What makes it natural for animals to eat meat? Could it be possible that animals, like humans, strayed from original plant eating diets due to climactic change, extinction, starvation, etc? I do believe there are a FEW animals that do well on a carnivorous diet, but nobody really knows what "natural" is? Could this particular interference, of a vegan diet, be greatly beneficial for them? ah.... finally some more substancial arguments... Ok, I do think that the possibility of a vegan diet for a highly domesticated animal might be benificial. however, if benificial this probably will varies greatly with breed. As soon as man started farming, revolving crops and later irrigating the need to eat meat was no longer a necessity rather a craving. As to what is natural, well thats simple, natural is what occurs in under regular circumstances in nature. ie, bears eat fish as long as they are available etc

Lets just end it here. You go veganize your animals and I will go to the park so my dog can go hunt some pigeons for dinner... Either way my dog is stacked( as seen below) FTW.............................. asshole

wait that doesnt make sense, but you are still an asshole

Oh I am an Asshole, I dont disagree with that. Im just saying that you are acting like one and becoming one at the same time

yeah i know they have a lot of hunting instincts left. so sure. let your dog hunt for it self and see if he/she survives, i bet my money on no. and for the record, i didn't attack your intelligence. i just wrote that if you stated stuff like that it would MAKE you look stupid. so don't call me an asshole you fuckin tard and suck my balls. by the associative property, if you say that i saw stuff that makes me look stupid, then you are inherently calling me stupid, STUPID you are getting emotional man, I will not suck your balls and the use of the word tard/retard can be very offensive to some people. this is a subject that is all about personal beliefs, thats it. because of that there is alot of ambiguity in what seems right and wrong. You get fired up very easily and have very little respect for others opinions. You will never win an argument that way, much less ever persuade someone of anything (whether right or wrong). btw, not respecting someones opinions on a public FORUM does make you an ASSHOLE

That is a sick pic Adrian!!!!!! http://www.irancartoon.com/100/kruger/sylvester-stallone.jpg

Whoa asshole slow down, I respect your opinions and everyone elses (much less than what I can say about you) but dont even attempt to attack my intelligence b/c you yourself will come across as such, an IGNORANT ASSHOLE. Now if you took the time to calmly read my post you would have seen that Now thats stupid... Dogs still have almost all of their of their animalistic instincts. Dogs still kill when given the chance, any deviation from that has to be taught, and even then when given the chance they still will try to get away with doing it.