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Re: Whos' Raw? and who wants to tell me about it?

#61 Postby beforewisdom » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:48 pm

Debunking The Detox Myth

A group of over 300 young UK scientists and engineers who investigated the evidence behind claims made for products and diets, have started a public awareness campaign by publishing a dossier that shows the word "detox" has no meaning outside of the clinical treatment of drug addiction and poisoning.


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The scientists involved in the research include physiologists, biochemists, doctors and pharmacists and they will be launching their own leaflet titled "Debunking Detox" outside high street shops in central London.

The leaflet explains how the human body already has a fantastic detox system, called the liver and the kidneys, and that there is no need to spend money on expensive treatments and products. Eating healthily and getting plenty of sleep is a better investment.

Tom Wells, a chemist and one of the investigators, told the BBC that:

"The minimum sellers of detox products should be able to offer is a clear understanding of what detox is and proof that their product actually works."

"The people we contacted could do neither," he said.


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Typing "the detox myth" into google will get many, many more articles for anyone who is interested.

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#62 Postby I'm Your Man » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:23 pm

BeforeWisdom, who talked about the need to buy detox products ? No one except you, so I wonder why you post this thing.

ahahah, they say Detox is a myth, while saying "the human body already has a fantastic detox system, called the liver and the kidneys".

"and that there is no need to spend money on expensive treatments and products. Eating healthily and getting plenty of sleep is a better investment."
Well that's it, I never said we need to buy products to detox either... Its the body that is being intoxicated and then need to detox, when we let it the chance to. When we are in constant intoxication, on drugs or junk food, the body can never detox completly, as its being intoxicated one day after the other. That is when Toxemia and diseases arrive. One of the first things that can be damaged are those detox organs, so we need to do surgery to remove or replace those organs... When people are seriously intoxicated they need to stop intoxicating their body (so they do a Detox program, no need to buy products) and then the body will detox by itself.
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#63 Postby beforewisdom » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:11 pm

The point isn't about the products, reread the second quote.

It is about the human body not needing special diets or anything else to "detox".....that the human body has loads of organs and systems to do remove toxins on its own.

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#64 Postby katz » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:22 am

It is about the human body not needing special diets or anything else to "detox".....that the human body has loads of organs and systems to do remove toxins on its own.


If that is the case, how would you explain the fecal matter that we always hear about that becomes impacted in a person's colon? (the famous John Wayne story) kidney stones, gall bladder stones, etc...

or maybe you don't believe that occurs...

After doing the "Master Cleanse" for a period of time, I am convinced. I heave heard many stories, watched youtube vids & such of folks that have flushed their body of kidney stones, etc. from doing different "natural" cleanses - not store bought detox products.

I personally feel that an unhealthy diet can bring about conditions that may require cleanses/flushes over & above what the body can do on its' own through normal elimination actions...

I'd rather be safe than sorry though - would much rather prevent it from occurring in the first place than have to go through the pain of a detox for an extended period of time...not fun...
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#65 Postby Zack » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:58 am

beforewisdom wrote:Maybe it isn't detox, but something else that is going on?


Yep there is. They are under eating and they are 'detoxing' until they lose enough body mass and their metabolic rate slows enough to adjust to the reduced calories and lost the 'false body' and now feel better.
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#66 Postby beforewisdom » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:09 am

katz wrote:
It is about the human body not needing special diets or anything else to "detox".....that the human body has loads of organs and systems to do remove toxins on its own.


If that is the case, how would you explain the fecal matter that we always hear about that becomes impacted in a person's colon? (the famous John Wayne story)


I would say it is probably a myth. It isn't like people do not make up other stories about celebrities as well. People are still talking about Elvis and UFOs.

FWIW, a few years ago I decided to get a professional colonic. I've been eating cooked food for decades. Only 1 piece of feces, about a square half inch came out. According to the raw food authors I have read I should have been having pounds of the stuff coming out in a religious experience.

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#67 Postby I'm Your Man » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:31 am

If you think the liver and kidneys clean everything instantly what do you guys believe are the causes of most diseases and especially degenerative diseases, and why are people eating an unhealthy diet (which doesn't look like what we can call a "detox diet") look sick -and are sick- in comparision to people eating an healthier diet (or if we want, a "Detox Diet"), they have better skin, etc...

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It is about the human body not needing special diets or anything else to "detox"
Really ? Then why do they say "Eating healthily" ? That's the special detox diet. "eating healthily may mean to eat less junk food, cooked food, fried stuff, etc, it may mean to eat a raw detoxifying diet. They are SO STUPID that they don't even understand what they are saying. They "investigated the evidence behind claims made for products and diets " yet they are saying we need to be "Eating healthily".

For your information, the kidneys and the liver cannot filter and get rid of everything. You're crazy. Many substances never existed until less than 50 years ago, way before those organs and our human body was created. Stuff like DDT (and yes, people still have ddt in their body eventhough this product is banned since twenty years) may enter the bloodstream and remain in human tissues all your life. Some stuff in drugs that people take daily may be flushed in the toilet but some of it stays in the body, because our body is not always able to deal with all substances. There are thousands of toxic substance in food today, especially industrial food, with gmo's, etc, mercury, glutamate monosodium hiding everywhere behind terms such as natural and artificial flavours, and bht added to package material - and then going in the food. The pollution we breathe outside and the toxic cleaning products we breathe in buildings and our own house.

You say "that the human body has loads of organs and systems to do remove toxins on its own" . Of course, so let's all eat only junk food then, why not ? The kidneys and the liver will save us... It is obvious that people need to eat an healthy diet, or a diet that will allow the body to detox all the time without being poisoned. Most people are eating badly and taking drugs so that they are intoxicating their system more than it can detox, they are exceeding the capacity of kidneys, liver, etc...

Zack wrote:They are under eating and they are 'detoxing' until they lose enough body mass and their metabolic rate slows enough to adjust to the reduced calories and lost the 'false body' and now feel better.
Watch the doc "Homo Toxicus". Everybody got toxic petroleum products in his bloodstream and heavy metals stored in their bodyfat. Or maybe you think that we are pure beings 100% clean inside. There's only two ways to get rid of those products that the body has not been able yet with common detox actions from the "kidneys and liver ". One is by breastfeeding to the baby (not very good for the baby, of course), and the other one is by losing weight, especially bodyfat. Then those toxic products may enter the bloodstream again (causing headaches, etc) and hopefully this time our body will excrete and expel it. Because we know that for some substances our liver is able to get rid of only 50% of it, the rest continue in the bloodstream and is stored in bodyfat, cells, etc, may cause tumors, or who knows maybe Parkinson, Alzheimer, etc...
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#68 Postby I'm Your Man » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:23 am

Breastfeeding, losing weight... and -just thought about it- liposuction may also be a way to get rid of toxic stuff stuck in bodyfat ! lol
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#69 Postby I'm Your Man » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:08 am

beforewisdom wrote:

I would say it is probably a myth. It isn't like people do not make up other stories about celebrities as well. People are still talking about Elvis and UFOs.

FWIW, a few years ago I decided to get a professional colonic. I've been eating cooked food for decades. Only 1 piece of feces, about a square half inch came out. According to the raw food authors I have read I should have been having pounds of the stuff coming out in a religious experience.
Even DV - you remember that forum member who had the same opinion as you about detox, liver and kidneys - once posted a webpage with photos of all kinds of excrements resulting of enemas and colon therapy, with stuff of different size, shape and colours, all types of parasites, small animals, creatures and monsters that the body has not been able to get rid of.

http://curezone.com/diseases/parasites/
"It is estimated that pinworms infect more than 400,000,000 people throughout the world (10% of humans), and in many areas of the world (e.g., North America and Europe) it is the most common nematode parasite of humans.On a world-wide basis, however, Ascaris lumbricoides ranks #1 infecting more than 1,000,000,000 people (25% of humans).

"Ascaris Lumbricoides has a world-wide distribution and is most prevalent in tropical areas. 25% of the world population harbors the parasite. "
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#70 Postby amawalke » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:38 pm

going to go as raw as possible over the next week and see how it feels. Since I don't eat too junky I think I should be able to avoid any real or imagined "detoxing" :) I think whether everyone believes in detox or not we all agree that eating fruits and veggies is a good thing! And of course we agree being a vegan rocks! And umm...not sure what else we agree on but I'm sure we can all be friends? (Amanda tries desperately to moderate semi-argumentative thread that's been going on lol..)

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#71 Postby I'm Your Man » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:09 am

beforewisdom wrote:
Maybe it isn't detox, but something else that is going on?
Sure, because everything is possible, except detox; detox is the only thing that is impossible on this planet. Just like the poeple who say good food combining is useless, they will put the blame on everything else, stomach burns, slow and sluggish digestion, bloating
happening because of magic, etc; while all this can be the results of bad food combining. They will say that eating something too cold, too hot, eating too quickly or eating too much, too spicy, too sugary or fatty, et cetera, all this can create problem, but eating a certain food combined with another food is the only thing that does not matter...
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#72 Postby I'm Your Man » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:30 am

beforewisdom wrote:The raw foodists I have talked have told me that they spend $100 a week, per person, on food. It is definately not a diet for the masses.
That's because many raw foodists buy ridiculously expensive gourmet prepared "raw" dehydrated foods. I've seen tiny energy balls or bars for almost 10 dollars each, or a small snack of nuts for the same price. But raw food diet doesn't have to be that expensive. Also, because what's inexpensive per calorie in major grocerie stores is chips, cookies, and in fast food joints its 99 cents burgers, 50 cents hot-dogs, etc. So that's what people buy. While a salad meal in restaurant is 10 bucks... But it needs to change. Law of supply and demand.
When people know when and where to buy their raw food its pretty cheap. I've bought 10 pounds of carrots for 0,99$, 10 pounds of potatoes for 0,99$, 10 pounds of onions for 0,99$, 5 pounds of apples for 2,50$, all locally grown. Organic bananas 0,39$, organic avocados 3 for 2,50$, organic watermelon 0,49$; all those are cheaper than non-organic in large grocery stores.
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#73 Postby amawalke » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:05 pm

I'm your Man; do you feel cold in the winter eating raw? And do you drink hot tea? I'm living in Colorado and wonder if I could stay warm in the winter if I ate lots of raw food? I guess I could just dress more warmly :p

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#74 Postby beforewisdom » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:20 pm

I'm Your Man wrote:
beforewisdom wrote:The raw foodists I have talked have told me that they spend $100 a week, per person, on food. It is definately not a diet for the masses.
That's because many raw foodists buy ridiculously expensive gourmet prepared "raw" dehydrated foods.


That isn't the case with the individuals I've talked to. They claim it is because they buy exclusively organic and that they eat a lot of fruit. How much do you spend on food a week?

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#75 Postby I'm Your Man » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:23 pm

beforewisdom wrote:How much do you spend on food a week?
I don't know... and I'm not a raw foodist. But less than 100$.

amawalke wrote:do you feel cold in the winter eating raw? And do you drink hot tea? I'm living in Colorado and wonder if I could stay warm in the winter if I ate lots of raw food? I guess I could just dress more warmly :p
Hot tea is great ! Drinks and water are best at room/body temperature for optimum digestion, or warm; but cold is the worse. The purpose of eating raw is to keep the nutrients intact, boiling water you don't destroy anything except if there's some germs or parasites in the water ! and boiling tea its not a big deal. Eventhough it is superior to do sun infusion... but anyway the tea leaves have already been boiled, steamed, dry roasted etc during preparation, so its never raw. Unless you make or buy Kombucha, which is fermented tea and fermented cane sugar, it is very very good. I wouldn't eat only green salads and tropical fruits in Winter, that's for sure! Its very cold in Quebec. Eating 100% raw in Winter, I would include more avocados, nuts, buttersquash soup, hemp seeds, Ruth's Chia cereals than in summer, those I find are yang food.
everything is about equilibrium, so to balance the cold (Yin) winter with a raw diet you need to include foods that are more Yang. And Summer is Yang so eat more Yin food. It depends also if you're Yin person then eat more Yang, and vice-versa. Otherwise if you're Yin and eat only Yin food then you'll be way too much Yin... Opposites heal. If you're a Vata person (light person), you need to eat heavy and nourrishing food to ground you. Kapha people are usually heavier and slow, they need light food to come out of their lethargy. Find balance in elements. Pitta people are Fire element, they are warm, so they need a raw diet (especially during Summer, Pitta season) to cool them. Vata people are Air and they need Water. Kapha are Earth and Water, they need Fire and Air.
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