Couture547 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'd imagine i'm extremely deficent in B12, so i started taking a whole food mult that has 3,333 percent. So asumming i'm really low in it how long will it take to get my levels to a normal range and notice a difference in how i feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'd imagine i'm extremely deficent in B12, so i started taking a whole food mult that has 3,333 percent. So asumming i'm really low in it how long will it take to get my levels to a normal range and notice a difference in how i feel? I'm not sure since I've never been b12 deficient, but let us know! Glad to hear you are supplementing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 Yeah i've been meaning to supplement B12 for a while, but i was looking for something that was a good soild whole food sourced supplement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmybear Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 When did you become a vegan?...B12 can buildup in the liver and if you ate meat and dairy not too long ago it can take a long while for you to become deficient. Also if you drink Soy milk or eat b-12 fortified cereals or a protein shake you should be ok as well. To be on the safe side everyone should take a multi at least...no matter what they eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 When did you become a vegan?...B12 can buildup in the liver and if you ate meat and dairy not too long ago it can take a long while for you to become deficient. Also if you drink Soy milk or eat b-12 fortified cereals or a protein shake you should be ok as well. To be on the safe side everyone should take a multi at least...no matter what they eat. I've been Vegan off and on for the last 2 years or so and 100 percent for the last 8 months. I eat all raw unprocessed foods, so for the last 8 months i've gotten close to 0 B12. I had my B12 tested and i was very low a year ago, so now it's probably scary low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontxhide Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Hey theres a huge discussion on this if you havent already seen it here: viewtopic.php?t=13293 There is a link to an article in there that tells you how to stop b12 deficeincy. Itll also have a list of the best supplements to take, such as the ones that are chewable or disolve in your mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 We got a sticky note in this very section on this subject: viewtopic.php?t=10882 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmybear Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I've been Vegan off and on for the last 2 years or so and 100 percent for the last 8 months. I eat all raw unprocessed foods, so for the last 8 months i've gotten close to 0 B12. I had my B12 tested and i was very low a year ago, so now it's probably scary low. If you eat all raw food then you definitely need to supplement....You cannot get b12 from raw food. Regular vegans have an easier time of it because we drink fortified soy milk, eat cereal, and bread and other processed foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted May 31, 2008 Author Share Posted May 31, 2008 I've been Vegan off and on for the last 2 years or so and 100 percent for the last 8 months. I eat all raw unprocessed foods, so for the last 8 months i've gotten close to 0 B12. I had my B12 tested and i was very low a year ago, so now it's probably scary low. If you eat all raw food then you definitely need to supplement....You cannot get b12 from raw food. Regular vegans have an easier time of it because we drink fortified soy milk, eat cereal, and bread and other processed foods. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaserHUN Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 theres B12 in sea-weeds, lucern, and kombucha, I get B12 from kombucha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 You still have to have intrinsic factor to make the Vitamin B12 absorb thru the digestive tract. And this factor can become depleted with age and other metabolic/toxin reactions.http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/stomach/intrinsic_factor.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaserHUN Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 and where do Bigbwii gets B-12 if he only eat fruits and don't take supplements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 theres B12 in sea-weeds, lucern, and kombucha, I get B12 from kombucha Seawead mostly has things that look like b-12 chemically, but are not and that block b-12 absorption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 B-12 is a subject of a lot of ignorance in the vegan community and that ignorance can actually make a person irreversibly sick. I recommend that everyone who cares about their health take 30 minutes out of their entire life to read this article by Jack Norris RD and cofounder of Vegan Outreach: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/vitaminb12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 What BeforeWisdom said is absolutely correct. There are B-12 analogs that do NOT supply B12. And they are found in the foods mentioned in the earlier post. If Bibbwii is a fruitarian then he gets no B12. We don't know what his blood levels are, whether or not he has any deficiency-related symptoms, whether he has any irreversible damage, or what he really eats - he's a person who posts what he wants you to know about him on the internet, just like every one of us. According to this study, kombucha looks like a true source of B12. I don't know if there is any regulation of kombucha production or if there is a way to know that you are getting what is listed on the packaging. (I just noticed that BeforeWisdom is posting as I'm typing. PLEASE read the link he mentions. Vegans with B12 deficiency-related illness make veganism look like a poor diet when it's really uninformed or unbelieving vegans who do the harm.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I don't know much about Kombuca. Having b-12 is one thing. Consuming enough b-12 to get all of the b-12 you need may be a separate issue entirely. Human bodies do store vitamin b-12, but getting those stores isn't like driving a near empty car up to a gas station. Human bodies can only absorb very small amounts of b-12 at one time, no matter how much is consumed in a single sitting. You need to steadily take in b-12 all of the time. Kombuca may not have enough b-12 in it for your needs depending on how much and how you drink. I simply don't know anything about kombuca. Read the article I posted, find out your b-12 needs then see what kombuca has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Raw vegan sources of B-12 = chlorella, and miso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Algae and seaweeds have b-12 analogs. Substances that are not b-12, but look like b-12 in tests and block real b-12. Pasteurized fermented soy products or fermented soy products made in hyper clean industrial facilities don't have b-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Thank you for that clarification, BeforeWisdom. Your information is absolutely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Algae and seaweeds have b-12 analogs. Substances that are not b-12, but look like b-12 in tests and block real b-12. Pasteurized fermented soy products or fermented soy products made in hyper clean industrial facilities don't have b-12 Yeah, I dunno. I got that info from Brendan Brazier's Thrive Diet book. Thanks for the clarification, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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