tuc Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I got 10 pullups when I tried last time (last month). I'll post a video when I get at least 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegannNY Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hey, got to four pullups finally! (After languishing at 3 for over a month.) My goal is 10...but it's moving in the right direction!!! (Yay me!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 yay you dude, I am happy for all you peoples.When my shoulder is better the first thing I will train with is pullups, and I my plan is to beat with the same form as my 15 video.I hope we get some more videos up soon, its what makes this site fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRardB Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I think I can do more than 10-11 now. Today I did 10 behind-the-neck. It actually didn't hurt my shoulders, although I don't think I should do them (except to impress people, which I did ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Doing any pulling action behind your neck is so damaging to your rotator cuff muscles, everytime I see people do that shit I just want to smack em in the face for damaging thier bodies.There is no reason to do this, there is nothing in nature that we would ever use this motion for, it goes against what your bodies natural range of motion does, and if ou paid attention you would find your neck getting strained and you would also notice that you have to move your head in a very unnatural position to even do this motion.Sorry to sound all high and mighty I just cant fucking stand watching people do that shit, why people dont see how fucking dumb they look and how damaging the movement they are doing is is beyond me.Once again sorry to offend, it just drives me bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosso Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I can usually only manage 5, which is alright if I'm doing 5 x 5 with 90 seconds rest in between each set..but it's pretty difficult for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRardB Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Doing any pulling action behind your neck is so damaging to your rotator cuff muscles, everytime I see people do that shit I just want to smack em in the face for damaging thier bodies.There is no reason to do this, there is nothing in nature that we would ever use this motion for, it goes against what your bodies natural range of motion does, and if ou paid attention you would find your neck getting strained and you would also notice that you have to move your head in a very unnatural position to even do this motion.Sorry to sound all high and mighty I just cant fucking stand watching people do that shit, why people dont see how fucking dumb they look and how damaging the movement they are doing is is beyond me.Once again sorry to offend, it just drives me bonkers lol, no offense taken. I can understand the anger. I never do them, I just tried them today. I'll make sure to keep this knowledge in mind and not do them again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Yeah Im kinda a freak when I see people who are about to damage themselfs. Especially when I am at the gym and watch these "badass" dudes do pulldowns behind thier backs, and you can see in thier faces they are in such pain, and they stand up all proud, looking around with thier chests all puffed out, thinking they are the shit, and all I do is smile and laugh.On a serious note though, it really is so bad, when you put your rotators out of alignment they get pinched by bone, and when you get older they have a very large tendency of getting tore by bone spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfxlonghorn Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Yeah Im kinda a freak when I see people who are about to damage themselfs. Especially when I am at the gym and watch these "badass" dudes do pulldowns behind thier backs, and you can see in thier faces they are in such pain, and they stand up all proud, looking around with thier chests all puffed out, thinking they are the shit, and all I do is smile and laugh.On a serious note though, it really is so bad, when you put your rotators out of alignment they get pinched by bone, and when you get older they have a very large tendency of getting tore by bone spursI don't believe they are as bad as you say they are. Not that I have ever done them after I heeded the warnings of everyone online, but even so, I know and have seen people who are training for years do this motion, and even the workout equipment diagrams have them on their machines as possible variations. It is most definitely an unnatural movement, but I don't think it is THAT damaging to your body, maybe over the course of decades, but what exercise isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Ok, well believe what you want, I dont really want to ever argue over the internet you know. I just happen to have studied the body and know how things work.I also know that people do things all the time that they think are good for decades only to find later on that they fucked themselfs up, all they can say is whoops.I do know that the military no longer does military presses, for the exact reason that i am telling you know, and they named the damn thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralst Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hey, got to four pullups finally! (After languishing at 3 for over a month.) My goal is 10...but it's moving in the right direction!!! (Yay me!) Congrats! Table updated. sosso, I've got you down for five. Thanks for entering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hey where am I? I got 10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 you know everyone has all these "pullups" where is the visual proof?I aint saying I dont trust in my fellow veg people but come on, its a challenge, lets see the work done.Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjohanx Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 i broke my personal record in dips a couple of days ago so i'm really siked to get the pull ups going as well. my goal is to do 20 in two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Picky picky. I actually did 11 but I don't count the last one since I had to use some leg momentum... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC6pUk-ILgo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 good damn job, i love watching people jut thier chins over like thier neck will extend or something Well since we let the 24 pullups go by while he was raising his leg and not going down all the way( not talking shit) I say we call this 11You rule by the way for proving yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRardB Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Damn, Fallen Horse caught up to me! Now I've gotta take another video and see if I can do more than 11 haha. This is fun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralst Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 Hey where am I? I got 10! Pretty sure you never posted a number before now But good job, got you down for 11. Thanks for posting a video too. - Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Cant wait till the shoulder is back so that I can defeat 24 and hold my place high, yeah it is fun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganEssentials Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Ok, well believe what you want, I dont really want to ever argue over the internet you know. I just happen to have studied the body and know how things work.I also know that people do things all the time that they think are good for decades only to find later on that they fucked themselfs up, all they can say is whoops.I do know that the military no longer does military presses, for the exact reason that i am telling you know, and they named the damn thing While I slightly agree on the behind-the-neck pulldowns/pullups, I do have a strong disagreement on pressing from behind (not to mention, a true military press is done pressing from the front ) Plenty of ultra-strong old-time lifters did heavy (and I do mean, HEAVY, as in 300-400 lb.) presses behind the neck and never suffered consequences from it. Just as many olympic lifters will do jerks from behind the neck, drop snatches (start with the bar resting on your upper traps, drop fast underneath the bar and end up in a bottom position snatch) and other things with the bar behind, O-lifters by far do the most overhead work and tend to suffer far, far fewer shoulder issues than your average gym rat who spends his time benching twice weekly. I watched all the olympic competition clips this year, and while there was a blown-out elbow or two from a lift gone bad, nobody came out with any shoulder issues that prevented a good lift. Yeah, some people do not have the design for their build to properly and safely press from behind due to issues with their frame, tight shoulders (which, if it is not due to prior injury, can be helped by doing proper stretching and warming up) or other situations, but done safely most people are likely to be able to press from behind without worry of complications. Of course, if you try to hold on to a failed press that drifts behind you, you're going to screw yourself up really quickly, which is why I'm partial to overhead lifting done standing and in an area where you can pitch the bar or jump away from it when necessary. In one of the better articles I've read on the subject in MILO magazine, one writer says, "Prior to the 70s, shoulder injuries were rare as hen's teeth, and until that time, EVERYONE did overhead lifts both in front and behind the neck. Bench pressing and big egos with people handling more weight than they should have been the biggest cause in the rise of shoulder ailments in lifters". From the turn of the century on up, overhead lifting of all sorts was the standard, long before squatting became common and definitely long before the bench press was a normal lift. People avoided injury for a long time because they lifted safely, not because the lifts were any different. They weren't going for a 1-rep max every other workout, and weren't adding excessive weight on the bar to show off to the bigger guys in their gym. Unfortunately, that's the kind of thing that permeates training these days, and because people suffer from their mistakes, good exercises can get a bad rap. Next to squatting, I'll always defend overhead lifting of all sorts for the benefits it provides which can be pretty well risk-free, so long as they're done properly and safely. Any lift can be dangerous if not done correctly - I threw out my back for almost a week during my first year of training because I arched too much when struggling on the last rep of an EZ bar curl. Nothing is 100% safe, but I do think that overhead pressing should not be given the bad rap that it often does since the history of the lift's safety speaks quite well for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Look man, I actually gave your responce (veganessentials) a good read because you have much respect from me. As such I will answer you with out argument, because normally at this point I would totally ignore this shit cause I aint going to be one of them internet forum argue people like I have seen extensivly on this site.Ok, if you train to get your subscapularis and your supraspinatus muscles very loose, and strong, and do copious streches for thier tendons then yes you could for sure keep your cuff strong and damage free for life.But how many people, in a normal life setting, do you see not only with the know how to do this, but taking the time to warm up, let alone warm up such small muscles that they dont even know exsist?Now someone like you, and olympic lifters, with coaches and trainers, and old school cats that got taught proper techniques, and also cats who are in the gym to get massive not pretty, sure you guys know whats up, and I am willing to bet when I looked at your face during a lift like this it wouldnt look as if your neck was breaking.And, as you already said ,you are talking about lifting with the origin as from being behind your neck, resting on your traps, while I am talking lat pulldown retards in a normal gym, sorry I just now kinda realised thats what you were talking about, this surgery has done numbers on my brain.So yeah in sorts I guess we are in total agreement here.It is possible to not shread yourself, but only with proper time, technique, and form and training.And not with the bad form of a lat pulldown switching reps back and forth from in front and behind the neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarijuanaMuscle Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 29 was my best ever, could do at least 21 any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinzen Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 29 was my best ever, could do at least 21 any day.29 was my best ever, could do at least 21 any day.Video tape that shit and put it up man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfxlonghorn Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 good damn job, i love watching people jut thier chins over like thier neck will extend or something Well since we let the 24 pullups go by while he was raising his leg and not going down all the way( not talking shit) I say we call this 11You rule by the way for proving yourselfI am not even going to bother....*face palm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilary wright Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I can do 0 pullups, and I'll be sure to post a video to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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