Muscle gain/Insulin/sugar issues from the point of diabetic

[seba]

Hello @ all vegan friends!!

 

very nice forum. Had alreay some inspiring reads. My name is Sebastian and I'm from germany. I'm into vegan since ca. 2 months. I'm vegan mostly because of my health as i'am a diebetic Type 1 since 8 months. I think all this torture we do to our friends the animals comes back to our lives. Now i took my choice and want to make the best out of it

 

Back to topic! As i already mentioned my main concern is at the moment my type 1 diabetes. I feel much more fit and healthy since i'm a vegan and my blood sugar levels are already much better. I lost 15 kgs in the last months and want to add some ver very fine muscle mass

 

Now my diet has to be low in carbohydrates espacilly low fast simple carbohydrates that raise my blood suagr levels too much. Lentils are my main food at the moment as my pancreas goes well with them. Overall the glycemic index is very helpfull for me.

 

Now i'm curious how i can achieve my goal to be a bad big muscle boy . Weighting at the moment 64 kgs for 178 cm I'm starting from point zero.

 

some points i have at the moment:

 

How can i get enough calories to grow? Is it possible to get the calories through "good" fat?

 

How can i help my muscles to recover without fast carbohydrates after the workout?

 

I'm working in the office 8-to 5 so i already into some foods over the day that contain plenty of fiber as i'm not really burning the carbohydrates(to help the insulin) during the work.

In the evening its ok to eat a big meal when as long as I'm doing a workout after it.

 

Hope someone can help me. I'm learning everyday more and more but I'm still confused how to do the ulimate approach as its note only about how to get the muscle in the best way to grow. I'm also have to look always at my blood sugar levels tos tay healthy.

 

any help appriciated hope my english is understandable have to write more..

 

 

wish you a nice time

[veganmaster]

Check out my posts if you'd like - there is a lot of info there. In fact you'll see my last post was about diabetes. This article connects the scientific dots:

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/040200pudiabetes.htm

 

Suffice it to say eating a no-oil, whole foods vegan diet (high starch) gives the body maximum room to heal, and thus prevent/reverse/ameliorate chronic diseases, which are all manifestations of waste by-product build up from intake of animal foods and oil (much greater detail in my other posts). You are on the right track!

[veginator]

Hello @ all vegan friends!!

 

very nice forum. Had alreay some inspiring reads. My name is Sebastian and I'm from germany. I'm into vegan since ca. 2 months. I'm vegan mostly because of my health as i'am a diebetic Type 1 since 8 months. I think all this torture we do to our friends the animals comes back to our lives. Now i took my choice and want to make the best out of it

 

Back to topic! As i already mentioned my main concern is at the moment my type 1 diabetes. I feel much more fit and healthy since i'm a vegan and my blood sugar levels are already much better. I lost 15 kgs in the last months and want to add some ver very fine muscle mass

 

Now my diet has to be low in carbohydrates espacilly low fast simple carbohydrates that raise my blood suagr levels too much. Lentils are my main food at the moment as my pancreas goes well with them. Overall the glycemic index is very helpfull for me.

 

Now i'm curious how i can achieve my goal to be a bad big muscle boy . Weighting at the moment 64 kgs for 178 cm I'm starting from point zero.

 

some points i have at the moment:

 

How can i get enough calories to grow? Is it possible to get the calories through "good" fat?

 

How can i help my muscles to recover without fast carbohydrates after the workout?

 

I'm working in the office 8-to 5 so i already into some foods over the day that contain plenty of fiber as i'm not really burning the carbohydrates(to help the insulin) during the work.

In the evening its ok to eat a big meal when as long as I'm doing a workout after it.

 

Hope someone can help me. I'm learning everyday more and more but I'm still confused how to do the ulimate approach as its note only about how to get the muscle in the best way to grow. I'm also have to look always at my blood sugar levels tos tay healthy.

 

any help appriciated hope my english is understandable have to write more..

 

 

wish you a nice time

 

Don't worry, my German is a lot worse than your English!

 

I presume this is outlined in the article veganmaster linked to, but my understanding from what I've read is that complex carbohydrates in high-fiber foods (which most fruits and vegetables are unless you juice them) are fine for diabetics, although as you say it's a good idea to watch the glycemic index. It's simple carbohydrates without any fiber (e.g., drinking a Coke) that are really bad for diabetics.

 

Are you sure it's Type 1 and not Type II diabetes that you have? Maybe I'm misinformed, but I thought Type 1 generally developed very early in life and Type II developed in adulthood. Just wondering.

 

Welcome!

[veganmaster]

Also, you may want to read why the glycemic index is a poor and faulty tool for food choices:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/july/glycemic.htm

The two articles I posted will blow your mind if your carb-phobic at all, lol. Maybe I should have said, "free your mind."

[seba]

Thanks for your responses.

 

I'm 24 and Type 1 can occur until 40...

 

On type 1 the cells are destroyd by the own body through an autoimmun reaction caused by whatever thats what the docs told me. Type two has enough insulinproducingcells to produce insulin but the insulin doesn't find the way to the other cells that need the energy.

 

My cells are producing enough insulin to work on a certain amount of sugar. But once they got to much sugar to work on they fail to manage it and my blood sugar goes of the roof.

 

I discovered that when i eat i.e. lentils wich are full of fiber but have also a good amount of carbohydrates in combination with raw spinach or salad the blood sugar is fine.

 

 

Now Veganmaster thanks for your Links. This Low fat High starch diet sounds very intersting. Through my testing im discovered as mentioned Lentils who seem to be also starch rich. Rice also but has a bad impact on my blood level. I think it should be starches with also a high amount of fiber.

I think lentils are the right thing with the high amount of fiber they are also containing.

I dont think that high starch only will do it. The fiber is a could be a important part.

 

Thinking about taking it as simple as it could be. I'll collect a small list of foods I'll use the next weeks. I'll get tommorrow new testing stripes to test the blood sugar level. Will also go ahead in my workout routine..this should help too

 

Also intersting on this site: http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_diabetes.html he explains a thing that also led to my diabetes: this damn cow milk. I drank tons of theme : in the morning to meals.. hard to say: loved it. They say it is so good for us and our children. Our famous sportschau who deliveres footbal(soccer) tells us(and especially the children) before and after that with adertisment nothing works without it. getting angry..

 

Hope i can prove that vegan lifestyle can cure diabetes

 

Also, you may want to read why the glycemic index is a poor and faulty tool for food choices:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/july/glycemic.htm

The two articles I posted will blow your mind if your carb-phobic at all, lol. Maybe I should have said, "free your mind."

Yes I am but i give it a try

[veginator]

Thanks for your responses.

 

I'm 24 and Type 1 can occur until 40...

 

 

Interesting, I didn't know that.

 

Now Veganmaster thanks for your Links. This Low fat High starch diet sounds very intersting. Through my testing im discovered as mentioned Lentils who seem to be also starch rich. Rice also but has a bad impact on my blood level.

 

What about brown rice, since it has lots of fiber?

 

 

Also intersting on this site: http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_diabetes.html he explains a thing that also led to my diabetes: this damn cow milk. I drank tons of theme : in the morning to meals.. hard to say: loved it. They say it is so good for us and our children. Our famous sportschau who deliveres footbal(soccer) tells us(and especially the children) before and after that with adertisment nothing works without it. getting angry..

 

Yeah, my ex was kind of brainwashed by her mom (and, of course, the dairy industry) into drinking four cups (about 1 liter?) per day of milk when she was a child, and wound up with kidney stones by the time she was 16. Milk definitely isn't as good for us as advertised!

[DV]

Seba, good luck with your diabetes. This is a very tricky disease and I would not suggest that you take any advice from people you've never met over the internet. You cannot verify any of our credentials or our knowledge base. I realize that our current medical treatments may not be desirable to you, but your type of diabetes is different from type II - which is more apt to respond to dietary changes. Please be careful and good luck with your goals! If I hear of any Type I diabetics who have been successful with muscle gain then I will point you in their direction.

[joelk]

That is a very good call DV.

Type 1 diabetes is not something to take lightly by any means.

[seba]

Seba, good luck with your diabetes. This is a very tricky disease and I would not suggest that you take any advice from people you've never met over the internet. You cannot verify any of our credentials or our knowledge base. I realize that our current medical treatments may not be desirable to you, but your type of diabetes is different from type II - which is more apt to respond to dietary changes. Please be careful and good luck with your goals! If I hear of any Type I diabetics who have been successful with muscle gain then I will point you in their direction.

 

you are totally right. Anything i do in dietary changes will be controlled with blood sugar tests. my fingers are totally destroyd from the many tests

 

As you pointed out our doctors know nothing about type 1 diabetes what is a big shame because there are so many who have it. My doctor could not believe me when i told him i do no insulin but the long time blood sugar is OK. So he says go ahead with your diet as long as you are fine..

 

Now my only source is the net and it helped me alot. Surely everything i do is in my responsibility. I'm grateful for any idea and advise as the ones from Veganmaster.

 

As for the brown rice it was what i tryed didn't really workout but maybe with some more fiber in the whole meal it could.

 

As for the muscle gains I think it could work as I'm feeling strong when doing my workout. I see a huge difference to the training when i ate meat and i had no diabetes. So i'm confident it could work.

[veginator]

Seba, good luck with your diabetes. This is a very tricky disease and I would not suggest that you take any advice from people you've never met over the internet. You cannot verify any of our credentials or our knowledge base.

 

Yes, I totally second that, but it sounds like you're pretty careful and are one to look at what the research says and use your own sound judgment about what to follow, and keep testing your levels regularly, which is exactly what you should do!

 

As you pointed out our doctors know nothing about type 1 diabetes what is a big shame because there are so many who have it. My doctor could not believe me when i told him i do no insulin but the long time blood sugar is OK. So he says go ahead with your diet as long as you are fine..

 

Wow, you're able to control your Type 1 diabetes with just diet & exercise and no insulin? I've heard of that a lot with Type 2, but not with Type 1 before. Blows conventional medical wisdom right out of the water, I guess! Good luck with keeping it in check and achieving your other goals!

[seba]

As you pointed out our doctors know nothing about type 1 diabetes what is a big shame because there are so many who have it. My doctor could not believe me when i told him i do no insulin but the long time blood sugar is OK. So he says go ahead with your diet as long as you are fine..

 

Wow, you're able to control your Type 1 diabetes with just diet & exercise and no insulin? I've heard of that a lot with Type 2, but not with Type 1 before. Blows conventional medical wisdom right out of the water, I guess! Good luck with keeping it in check and achieving your other goals!

 

Yes I'm controlling it. But everybody thinks it is because the Pancreas reactivates after you have given it insulin about some time. People who continue to supplement insulin have this phase 1-4 months.

Its clear the Pancreas will not try to produce more insulin because the body gets enough from the outside.

I think in my way the pancreas knows it has to produce insulin and want to.

Problem is that if there is an autoimmun reaction against the Pancreas it will be someday not strong enough to go against this reaction.

 

It comes more and more in my mind that i have to clean my body from the inside. One step is made with getting vegan.

 

if someone is interested. i found another interesting site: http://cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Diabetes_Type_I.htm . This page has a protocol to get rid of type 1 diabetes also in a natural way. i'm sceptical but some ideas are good.