R YOU UNHEALTHY?

[pamela]

Can eating insects be part of a vegan lifestyle?

 

 

No.

[Im Your Man]

I'm Your Man is absolutely right on all accounts. He usually is, judging from his numerous posts. Especially with his raw beets and horseradish. Not many people know about that and could even think of something so good. It takes courage.

 

It is only when one pursues the path of truth about health and experiences the benefits of vegan and raw foods that one can look back at one's prior existence as an omnivore and carnivore and say, "What was I thinking?".

 

The experience of improved health from having the courage to pursue a better path is the proof. Of course, there is also a lot of scientific evidence to back up these claims. The sleptics and naysayers will always be there. You have to have the courage to prove it to yourself.

 

Forget about the B-12 debate, make sure you get your B-12 from vegan sources and don't kill the animals.

 

Thank you RTascajr, I have the impression that what I say most of the time is right too! Eventhough I know many people have this impression- almost certitude too. But many people must not be so certain about what they say or think, because they always or only base their entire knowledge on books they read, movies they saw, or studies they may have heard of. True knowledge from life experience doesn't need any scientific back up like quoting studies. I do have some trust in what I feel because it's coming from within me, so it can't be wrong, because I know I'm not a bad person.

I do find that your posts are amazing too, Richard, and I agree with all of them so far, also the message of love that is coming from you is great. Love is the most grand thing and only positive persons that chose a certain path of life are spreading love in a natural way to all people around them. Those persons whose life is burning well shine and have often accepted the right master to guide them towards the right path, then made their choices by themselves; those illuminate the paths of others.

 

Chose from where you take your sources for what you conceive as The reality. You can deceide that a piece of paper or an article on a webpage tells the Truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Or you can find out that the truth lies within you, not in what others say to you.

 

Personally, I do believe that facts and reality speaks for themselves, and have more scientific value about "reality" and "truth" on a pure cosmic scale than what so-called scientifics and specialists may say to you, or what results of studies may tell, studies which often contradicts eachothers.

Here's pure reality:

only on this website, there's many raw foodists, vegans and fruitarians that took no b12 supplements IN YEARS and are doing just fine:

andesuma, lean&green, bigbwii... I'm sure there's many others.

There's athletes like Tim VanOrden.

 

Now, according to science, in how many years those persons will inevitably collapse on the floor due to b12 deficiency ? There's no exact answers because this is no exact science, in fact nutrition is not even a science because there's so much left to learn and discover.

 

And let me tell you something, it's not people who read scientific studies and build their beliefs only on writings who find truth and who make new scientific discoveries, but people who dare to rely on themselves and trust themselves enough to experiment and observe things as they are around us, and then make hypothesis and conclusions from that, those are the ones who make history and science advance and progress.

If we would have observe the diet of certain people since the beginning, it wouldn't have taken over a century just to find out that we need less proteins than we tought so not so long ago. Nations with less than 30g of proteins/day live longer, endurance athletes thriving on the 80/10/10 diet (raw vegan diet mostly fruits, which is probably the lowest protein amounts we can possibly get) have muscles where they need it so it,s obviously enough proteins (cyclists on this diet have muscled legs... and runner Tim VanOrden have more muscles than what he needs), babies growing faster than bodybuilders on human milk which is 1% proteins.

Yet, most people refuse to see the reality, and prefer to believe studies, words and dieteticians, and most people think they need their fish and lean meat.

 

Nothing is true – everything is permitted

Nothing is permitted – Everything is true

[offense74]

So if I crave Coke and Snickers it must be good for me?

The most reliable method of figuring things out about "reality" is science.

After 2000 years of churches, creationism is what we got.....

 

To be honest what I see more often than not is a misunderstanding of science. Science as an objective method never told us to eat 200g of protein per day, other factors decided that. Science never told us that agent orange was harmless. In this case the messenger should be killed.

 

Gravitation works. Take your b-12.

[DaN]

As for the article on 'weaker' vegetarians... he can come to my house & I'll show him who's weak...

 

This thread has given me a good laugh.

 

B-12 is over rated.

 

Personally I try to take a multi vitamin every day (which has B-12 in it) but sometimes I forget for days or weeks or even months on end.I am not blind.Or ill.

 

People need to realise that all this scientific data on what we need to be healthy has come around in the last few hundred years & most of the stuff people quote here in the last 30 years.

 

Before all this recent data & pansy obsession with vitamins the human race evolved from a fish with no nutritional advice at all, & made it here today with 3 billion people alive & kicking.The human body is incredibly adaptable, & a lack of a varied diet is of course undesirable but not the end of the world.

 

Put it in perspective people.Personally I can think of maybe a hundred things that worry me way more than a vitamin B-12 deficiency.

[hilary wright]

This thread is a riot! Respecting life is enough for me . . . take b12 or not, your choice. Being over 50, I inject mine . . . that way I don't have to cook it.

[medman]

This thread has given me a good laugh.

 

B-12 is over rated.

 

Personally I try to take a multi vitamin every day (which has B-12 in it) but sometimes I forget for days or weeks or even months on end.I am not blind.Or ill...

 

Nobody has been saying that great ills will befall you if you forget to take B12 every day. And going for years without it doesn't mean that you'll be at death's door - but health is multidimensional. If you went 10 years without B12, you might not be noticing life-altering symptoms, but that doesn't mean that your body would be functioning as well as it could.

 

Look at how recently it was discovered that vitamin D plays a role in so many aspects of health - from cancer to osteoporosis. I got tested and found that I was vitamin D deficient (6 months of the year here in Canada, you don't get strong enough sun to make vit. D yourself, so about 2/3 of Canadians are deficient). My bones weren't breaking and I don't have cancer. But give it a few decades and I would be at a much higher risk of these things had I not addressed it.

 

Again, just because you don't notice outright symptoms doesn't mean that getting more of it wouldn't benefit your health.

[DaN]

hilary wrote:

 

This thread is a riot!

 

I know its brilliant isnt it

 

It might get a whole let better when someone takes my bait

[DaN]

medman wrote:

 

Nobody has been saying that great ills will befall you if you forget to take B12 every day. And going for years without it doesn't mean that you'll be at death's door - but health is multidimensional. If you went 10 years without B12, you might not be noticing life-altering symptoms, but that doesn't mean that your body would be functioning as well as it could.

 

Look at how recently it was discovered that vitamin D plays a role in so many aspects of health - from cancer to osteoporosis. I got tested and found that I was vitamin D deficient (6 months of the year here in Canada, you don't get strong enough sun to make vit. D yourself, so about 2/3 of Canadians are deficient). My bones weren't breaking and I don't have cancer. But give it a few decades and I would be at a much higher risk of these things had I not addressed it.

 

Again, just because you don't notice outright symptoms doesn't mean that getting more of it wouldn't benefit your health

 

Yeah I do agree actually, I just thought someone had to say something that was the complete opposite of what the thread was going towards.I like a bit of controversy sometimes

[hilary wright]

Obi Wan is the master at baiting . . .

[DaN]

Obi Wan is the master at baiting