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That's sad that Russia has to take such an approach to save South Ossetia from Georgia's rule. What's wrong with South Ossetia wanting to be free from Geogia? I think Georgia's just being a big bully.

 

OMG! That is so awful what is going on there. I don't think I will ever understand that region of the world, with everyone fighting over tiny little plots of land and demanding to have their own countries.

 

The US did the same in pushing to be free from England. We basically demanded our own country. Remember? Our 13 original colonies, and England taxing us. Wait...we still get taxed either way. So why did we even fight in the first place? It didn't bring peace, it didn't stop the fighting or taxes...but obviously history repeats itself, right? lol.

 

I don't think we're much different from that region of the world...except that these days, instead of demanding what is needed, we sit in front of the TV and become brainwashed to much of what our government and media says, and depend too much on our government. And if not, we get shushed for using our freedom of speech to try to obtain a better freedom. Whereas, many in that region would rather fight for their freedoms. Though, if it were me, I'd flee to Russia instead of staying in Georgia...and let Georgia keep their damn land...but that's just me.

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Did anybody catch this Bush interview ? It talks about Georgia-russia conflict a bit towards the end.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keN12U2coK8

1. America: "I don't see America having problems"

 

2. Religion: "If you are a religious person, you understand that once religion takes hold in a society it can't be stopped."

 

3. Russia/Georgia Conflict: "This violence is unacceptable"

 

"I expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia (without any irony)"

 

"It is interesting to me that here we are trying to promote peace and harmony and we're witnessing a conflict take place (without any irony)"

 

"I was very firm with Vladamir Putin and he and I have got a good relationship"

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this was posted in an anarchist forum i frequent which i found illuminating

 

 

To: President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of State Rice, Secretary of Defense Gates, Congressional Leaders, U.N. Secretary-General Ban and members of the media

U.S. HANDS OFF GEORGIA & RUSSIA - NO NEW WAR - END NATO NOW

 

 

It is with growing concern that we observe that the U.S. government is threatening new military moves that carry the danger of another war this time against Russia.

The Bush regime and the corporate U.S. news media have launched an anti-Russia hate campaign. Yet just as with the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan and the threats on Iran, the threatened military confrontation with Russia is also based on a lie. The truth, hidden by most of the corporate news media, is that Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili unleashed his U.S.- and Israeli-armed and-trained forces on the tiny autonomous region of South Ossetia, murdering civilians and attacking Russian peacekeeping troops stationed there. Only then did Russian troops respond.

Saakashvili is the president who sent 2,000 Georgian youth to join the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. The U.S. supplies the weapons to his army. U.S. Special Forces and Israeli advisers and mercenary contractors direct the Georgian military, which just held three weeks of joint exercises with the U.S. Army and Marine Corps in July. We must take note that like Iraq and Iran, Georgia itself is a prize for U.S. oil companies, as it is a major transit point for Central Asian oil.

There is little doubt that U.S. arming of Georgia and its push to get Georgia into NATO set the scene for the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia and created the threat of a new major war. Now Washington also threatens Russia by placing missile bases in Poland and the Czech Republic against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the people there. Surrounding Russia with this military alliance of new NATO members is the greatest danger to peace and stability on a global scale.

It is time to remember that NATO was established as an anti-USSR military alliance aimed at reinforcing capitalist control and preventing socialist revolutions in the colonialist powers of Europe weakened by World War II. Since the end of the Soviet Union and the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, the U.S. has attempted to vastly expand NATO and turn it into a military instrument to consolidate U.S. corporate power, surround Russia and China and re-conquer the former colonial world.

Consider these examples:

Yugoslavia. Based on the lie that NATO was defending small nations, U.S.-NATO intervention and bombing destroyed multinational Yugoslavia and turned the Balkans into a collection of dependent ministates ruled by the U.S. and Western Europe powers.

Afghanistan. Based on the lie that this was a police action against terrorists, U.S.-NATO have carried out a seven-year occupation leaving the country in ruins and enslaved.

Iraq. Here the lie about weapons of mass destruction was so blatant, and the U.S. position so weak, that most NATO countries refused to join the occupation and utter destruction of Iraq.

No one can believe Bush is promoting peace in Georgia. It is time not only to stop this expansion but to end the NATO war machine completely by dissolving NATO.

It is encouraging to anti-war people worldwide that Georgians themselves have issued a statement condemning the Saakashvili machine. "The entire responsibility for this fratricidal war," the Georgian Peace Committee says, "for thousands of children, women and elderly dead people, for the inhabitants of South Ossetia and of Georgia falls exclusively on the current president, on the Parliament and on the government of Georgia." (Aug. 11)

We cannot do less than the people of Georgia who oppose the current president and want no part of NATO. We demand from Washington:

(1) Stop interfering in Georgia and the Caucasus

(2) Stop attempting to expand the NATO military organization into the countries of Eastern Europe and those that border on Russia.

(3) End the aggressive NATO military alliance

(4) No new wars!

Sincerely,

(Your signature will be appended here based on the contact information you enter to the right)

posted August 15, 2008

U.S. HANDS OFF GEORGIA & RUSSIA - END NATO Campaign

For further information call: (212) 633-6646

www.iacenter.org

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this was posted in an anarchist forum i frequent which i found illuminating

http://www.iacenter.org

The International Action Center, whos website you got this post from, is a front group for the communist Workers World Party (WWW) What anarchist forum are you referring to?

 

anarchism is independent of system or regime but is influenced and can be inspired by others. Knowledge is knowledge irregarless of where it comes from. Although i do appreciate you pointing out the source it hardly invalidates the opinion.

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this was posted in an anarchist forum i frequent which i found illuminating

http://www.iacenter.org

The International Action Center, whos website you got this post from, is a front group for the communist Workers World Party (WWW) What anarchist forum are you referring to?

 

anarchism is independent of system or regime but is influenced and can be inspired by others. Knowledge is knowledge irregarless of where it comes from. Although i do appreciate you pointing out the source it hardly invalidates the opinion.

I have no idea what anarchism has to do with this thread discussion nor did anyone try to invalidate the opinion.
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this was posted in an anarchist forum i frequent which i found illuminating

http://www.iacenter.org

The International Action Center, whos website you got this post from, is a front group for the communist Workers World Party (WWW) What anarchist forum are you referring to?

 

I think i read the comment as a negative and associated the eschewed smiley face as a put down. the forum was on couchsurfing.com under groups anarchist/socialist

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After reading the writings of Dr. Paul for about 4 years and meeting him several different times I think I would have encountered at least one racial slip of the tongue/pen. I have yet to encounter one. Either Paul is very crafty or indeed it were the ghostwriters as he has said before. Now I do believe Lew Rockwell knows who wrote these things but he's not going to tell. McCain says Gooks in public. Obama is friends with anti-semites. Politicians are not squeaky clean people which is probably a great reason not to vote for any of them since they really do not represent anyone but themselves. Do you get most of your news from The New Republic, I had no idea you were that "conservative," but i'm sure we can agree on plenty.

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