Im Your Man Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Thank you for explaining, Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 How is such a thing possible? From looking at the photos it's obviously working for you. Have you been eating (drinking) so little for a long time now? I don't get how you're not wasting away to nothing as your body has to be burning way more calories than that per day just to keep your heart pumping and your brain working. Dishonesty about food intake comes to mind. You can tell me I'm wrong or trash talk me for "insulting" him, but he's not some anomoly, nobody drinks 2 cups of juice a day for a few years and maintains their weight/size. He's been dishonest about his nutrient intake in the past anyways. He claims to be raw and fruitarian for 13 years, but just a few years ago he was eating cooked food to gain weight (michaelhobson can back me up on this one). Most of the old posts have been erased (odd huh?). Call me rude or whatever, but I'm not a fan of dishonesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 That was rude Are you kidding me? It's great that Bigwbii can be physically impressive to show off the power of veganism/rawism/fruitarianism, but when he goes and says that he does it on 800mL of juice and NO WATER everyday? That's quite obviously false, and just another wacko claim that reduces the legitimacy of this site and it's members. The lack of scientific credibility on this site is nearly as daunting as bb.com or t-nation sometimes. Peddle fitness, peddle veganism, peddle raw, but don't lie about what has been ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC FACT. To any newbie reading this thread: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FOLLOW BIGWBII'S DIET PLAN. IF EVEN PARTIALLY TRUE, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Err, death much? That was rude Are you kidding me? No I wasn't kidding you. I thought what you said was rude. Maybe you should chill out on the raw food section. It's not a section to say negative or even put down ppl on a raw food diet. It's to keep a positive approach to support one another just like any other thread on this forum.Thank-You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 No I wasn't kidding you. I thought what you said was rude. Maybe you should chill out on the raw food section. It's not a section to say negative or even put down ppl on a raw food diet. It's to keep a positive approach to support one another just like any other thread on this forum.Thank-You So you would actively support someone who was starving themself simply because they were posting in the raw food section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I've know people who water fast for 30 days + and still manage fine.People do it for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaN Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Bigbwii wrote: I hope that answers your questions Not really mate.. On the surface, Richard, you seem like a nice guy, & I would like to believe you when you say you drinks 2 glasses of fruit juice a day. Part of me thinks what you are saying could be true, based on your suggestions about spirituality.However another part of me does not. It is not your responsibility to answer to us, only to yourself. However, you realise that by not providing some substantiation of these claims, that you are going to force people into a position where they cannot believe you.Then you are turning away people who could potentially follow in your footsteps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offense74 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 How is such a thing possible? From looking at the photos it's obviously working for you. Have you been eating (drinking) so little for a long time now? I don't get how you're not wasting away to nothing as your body has to be burning way more calories than that per day just to keep your heart pumping and your brain working. Dishonesty about food intake comes to mind. You can tell me I'm wrong or trash talk me for "insulting" him, but he's not some anomoly, nobody drinks 2 cups of juice a day for a few years and maintains their weight/size. He's been dishonest about his nutrient intake in the past anyways. He claims to be raw and fruitarian for 13 years, but just a few years ago he was eating cooked food to gain weight (michaelhobson can back me up on this one). Most of the old posts have been erased (odd huh?). Call me rude or whatever, but I'm not a fan of dishonesty.I can back you up too. But since we're on cooked we are biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Oh come on, why would he be lying? Check out his website... it's not like he's selling anything (other than $150-300 coaching sessions as well as $300/month "online" coaching). Not even going to waste the time trying to respond to this if you actually believe he is being honest. 800 ml of fruit juice a day.... ridiculous lie. No wonder this site is a joke to most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaN Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Oh come on, why would he be lying? Check out his website... it's not like he's selling anything (other than $150-300 coaching sessions as well as $300/month "online" coaching). Its hard to tell if your'e defending him Jaleel, or just being very sarcastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaN Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I thought you were.Did you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? Its also the funniest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Here's a few threads that prove he's lying. Must have forgotten to delete these. http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=60657&highlight=#60657http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=60660&highlight=#60660http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61838&highlight=#61838http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=63508&highlight=#63508viewtopic.php?f=2&t=840 That's just a few threads I know michaelhobson knows about more. Anyways, he is preaching a lie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbwii Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 I've nothing to be ashamed of, at that time I was open about it here and on other raw food forums. Yes...after 10 years of Fruitarianism, 2-3 years ago I ate cooked foods for several months because I had quit Fruitarianism because of big doubts I was having about my transition to the Fruitarian lifestyle, I was sick of detoxing and feeling isolated from society/family, so I decided to quit and "get a life" as I put it back then and reclaim my old physique by means of bodybuilding and cooked foods but as time went on my health and mental/physical fitness deteriorated so I went back to 100% Fruitarianism for good. When I went back to 100% Fruitarianism I had to detox and cleanse again, all the muscle I thought I had gained on cooked food went as fast as it came, so I was right back to square one , I learnt a lot from that experience and it left me with no doubts in my mind which was the right way to go and I've sinced moved on to better things mentally/physically. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katabatic Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Yes...after 10 years of Fruitarianism, I was sick of detoxing and feeling isolated from society/family, so I decided to quit How could you be detoxing after 10 years?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I was also worried that some "new" or "random" people could be reading this and be impacted, but it's only for very fringe people....a mainstream person, vegan, etc. would never try this. It just doesn't make sense for the average person, or even to many fringe people, so the potential for "anyone" to try this would be very, very low. Like Tasha, I know people who have done long fasts but it never made any sense to me and I would never advocate or support "not eating" and think that is is irresponsible. Big is just sharing his own stories....not giving advice...at least that is how I look at it. Just as many of us share our own stories in our blogs that are silly and aren't recommended that others try them, but they are things we did...like stay up for 48 hours without sleeping, training while injured, etc. It's not advice, just sharing about our lives. I would never encourage anyone not to eat, or to only drink juice as a form of nutrition. My father is a scientist and author of 15 textbooks and is a world specialist on many things. He doesn't believe in "detoxing" from a scientific perspective. I'm going to talk to him more about it because when we had the conversation a year ago when I went raw for 5 days, it made a lot of sense because he backed everything with science and evidence, studies, etc. and warned about buzz words being thrown around with some other objective behind them (spirituality based, money driven, lost and looking for answers, etc.). So please don't take it as advice but just one forum member sharing what he's up to and what he's eating/drinking these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaN Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Robert I agree with what you have wrote. Bigbwii, I think that as long as you are happy & healthy, that is what counts. Thats all I have to say on the topic. Peace out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 all the muscle I thought I had gained on cooked food went as fast as it came I expect that would happen on 2 cups of juice a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbwii Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 I was also worried that some "new" or "random" people could be reading this and be impacted, but it's only for very fringe people....a mainstream person, vegan, etc. would never try this. It just doesn't make sense for the average person, or even to many fringe people, so the potential for "anyone" to try this would be very, very low. Like Tasha, I know people who have done long fasts but it never made any sense to me and I would never advocate or support "not eating" and think that is is irresponsible. Big is just sharing his own stories....not giving advice...at least that is how I look at it. Just as many of us share our own stories in our blogs that are silly and aren't recommended that others try them, but they are things we did...like stay up for 48 hours without sleeping, training while injured, etc. It's not advice, just sharing about our lives. I would never encourage anyone not to eat, or to only drink juice as a form of nutrition. My father is a scientist and author of 15 textbooks and is a world specialist on many things. He doesn't believe in "detoxing" from a scientific perspective. I'm going to talk to him more about it because when we had the conversation a year ago when I went raw for 5 days, it made a lot of sense because he backed everything with science and evidence, studies, etc. and warned about buzz words being thrown around with some other objective behind them (spirituality based, money driven, lost and looking for answers, etc.). So please don't take it as advice but just one forum member sharing what he's up to and what he's eating/drinking these days. No I wasn't giving advice in no way shape or form, the poster asked a question and I answered it....I would not have even mentioned it otherwise. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbwii Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 Yes...after 10 years of Fruitarianism, I was sick of detoxing and feeling isolated from society/family, so I decided to quit How could you be detoxing after 10 years?? Why not....it takes years to detox, my detox end just last year!...after that a whole new world opened up both mentally and physically. I would say it takes a good 10-15 years to truly detox mentally and physically from your previous lifestyle, I've been saying this for years. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbwii Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 Robert I agree with what you have wrote. Bigbwii, I think that as long as you are happy & healthy, that is what counts. Thats all I have to say on the topic. Peace out Thanks buddy....yes I'm very happy, things are going great, I've moved on from fruitarianism to liquidarianism/breatharianism which means I have to learn new things, I've been working very hard and I'm having a blast with my training, I'm also achieving goals that I never thought possible! B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Robert I agree with what you have wrote. Bigbwii, I think that as long as you are happy & healthy, that is what counts. Thats all I have to say on the topic. Peace out Thanks buddy....yes I'm very happy, things are going great, I've moved on from fruitarianism to liquidarianism/breatharianism which means I have to learn new things, I've been working very hard and I'm having a blast with my training, I'm also achieving goals that I never thought possible! B And What is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Quote from Big wille "I found that drinking a gallon of water everyday, eating big (wholefoods) and working out heavy packed on the pounds fast, forget about raw foods if you wanna bulk up"viewtopic.php?t=2765 Much different tune 2 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Quote from Big wille "I found that drinking a gallon of water everyday, eating big (wholefoods) and working out heavy packed on the pounds fast, forget about raw foods if you wanna bulk up"viewtopic.php?t=2765 Much different tune 2 years ago Thats talking about bulking up though not just being fit and muscular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaN Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Quote from Big wille "I found that drinking a gallon of water everyday, eating big (wholefoods) and working out heavy packed on the pounds fast, forget about raw foods if you wanna bulk up"viewtopic.php?t=2765 Much different tune 2 years ago If you look back in this thread, he writes: 2-3 years ago I ate cooked foods for several months because I had quit Fruitarianism because of big doubts I was having about my transition to the Fruitarian lifestyle, I was sick of detoxing and feeling isolated from society/family So it seems clear that yes, 2-3 years ago he started eating wholefoods, and that now, he isnt again.Im not defending him, im just pointing this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 So is He just doing like Fruit Juice from a juicer? or blended up fruits? I think it would be crazy to live on just fruit juice without the pulp and the extra's for a extended period of time. Do that for a a couple years and you won't have teeth and will weigh about 75 pounds. A least you'll be spirtual lol and maybe have only like 5 years left detoxing. Your not fully detoxed untill you no longer have teeth and your a full diabetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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