1 Reason to vote for Obama

[zinzen]

I see a lot of hating on Obama but we are 1 month away from a very important vote in the US and I very much do respect the people looking to vote for Green Party canadates, but fuck sake we cant screw around right now, I am sorry if that makes people think I am saying voting for an independent is screwing around, but since no media coverage, at least in Cleveland has been given to any independents I have to say this.

The one reason TO vote for Obama.... If he loses we will have a angry old man in office who WILL die very soon, and who wants WAR and his fucking vice president who will BE president when this ancient man dies is fucking insane and hates our cause and couldnt give a flying shit about animals.

Please think this through people, we cannot afford to lose this, not only because of the jobs lost, lifes of our young lost, but the animals will have no chance of reform when a bitch is in office hunting wolfs from planes and telling all woman to man up and go shoot themselfs a moose.

PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!

Edited October 10, 2008 by zinzen

[hsorlando]

Well said! I too would love to see the Green Party, as a major party, but right now really isn't the time. The United States will be in even bigger trouble if Mcain gets into office. I know people say Obama has no experience, but Joe Biden does. I believe that with Joe Biden as his running mate we will get the best possible choice for this struggling country. The past eight years have been tough enough, lets not let it get any worse!

[tuc]

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[RAINRA]

Zinzen ... You rock ... love that honesty!

 

Hey I agree. I would vote for the green party in a heart beat but since they are not big enough this year there is no way in gods name will they win. They need to build a large party first and then get voted into office. I am gonna vote for Obama since it is better than than Having Palin.

[CollegeB]

All this talk about impending doom if the right guy isn't elected is rubbish. It's going to be business as usual with the economic problems worsening and the wars continuing. Joe Biden was a key proponent to plan Columbia, Obama is by no means anti war..he can't even say he wouldn't nuke Pakistan. Obama, McCain, and Bush supported the bailout. The only reason to vote is based on myths and well-wishing. The country, nor the world is going to collapse based solely on the president. All this fear must come from the mainstream media. Sheesh.

[zinzen]

Tell that to busimess owners that have watched the rug get pulled out from undernieth them in the last 8 years.

[Im Your Man]

All this talk about impending doom if the right guy isn't elected is rubbish. It's going to be business as usual with the economic problems worsening and the wars continuing. Joe Biden was a key proponent to plan Columbia, Obama is by no means anti war..he can't even say he wouldn't nuke Pakistan. Obama, McCain, and Bush supported the bailout. The only reason to vote is based on myths and well-wishing. The country, nor the world is going to collapse based solely on the president. All this fear must come from the mainstream media. Sheesh.

it's not necessarily about wether or not the planet will explode if someone is elected rather than another, or if the whole world will become greener and more spiritual , but things can get better, or worse, depending on who's elected. A bad president can accomplish a thousand more things in 4 years than a good president, because evil things are easy to do and require no time, like deciding to go in war or to invent stupid laws or cancelling in one day good laws that took decades to be accepted. But improving the quality of living of a nation and the respect for all forms of life takes way more time and efforts unfortunately.

[veginator]

I don't see it as "hating on Obama" to point out the discrepancy between the image of Obama as the candidate of hope and change and the reality of Obama as a mainstream Democratic polician who, like all other mainstream Democratic politicians at the federal level, has a record (and rhetoric, too, if you look past the glitter) that clearly indicates his fealty to large corporate interests. I'm certainly not denying that Obama would be the preferable candidate to have in the White House. He supports abortion rights and, if he sticks to his tax policy, it would be preferable to McCain's from the standpoint of lower and middle-income taxpayers. And, of course, Palin is a dingbat.

 

But I think it's important for people to know exactly what they're getting when one of these candidates is elected rather than basing their impression on illusions fostered by the media and the campaigns themselves. Neither of these candidates are "one of us." They are wealthy people who have served the interests of the wealthy more than the rest of us in their role as politicians, and will continue to do so as President. Contrary to the impression fostered at times by the Obama campaign, Obama is not even close to being anti-war. He has, with one exception recently when he was on the campaign trail, voted to fund the Iraq war every time, and despite saying he intends to withdraw some troops at some point from Iraq, if you look at his positions closely it's clear he wants the military occupation of Iraq to continue for a long time. He wants to escalate the war in Afghanistan. He wants to increase the military budget, even though it already exceeds the combined military spending of every other country in the world. He supported the recent $700 billion bank bailout, which did nothing to help ordinary people suffering through the economic crisis or to really address the fundamental problems with the economy. He voted against capping credit card interest rates. He voted in favor of continued domestic spying. He is against impeaching Bush. He's for nuclear power, oil drilling offshore, "clean coal," and generally is very mixed on the environment. Of course, all these things are true of McCain, too, so it's certainly not my intention to say Obama is worse than McCain. Just that he's not that much better.

 

As far as animal rights, what evidence do you see that Obama/Biden would be any different than McCain/Palin? Just because Palin shoots moose from helicopters and Obama "only" eats dead salmon off a plate doesn't say anything to me about one or the other caring more or less about animals. I think that battle is one we're going to have to fight ourselves; we can't expect much from the federal government regardless.

 

As far as voting is concerned, since you live in Ohio, which is a "swing" state, I can understand why you would want to use your vote to make sure the least-bad candidate gets Ohio's electoral votes, especially since in the last election the Republicans cheated Kerry out of Ohio and that cost him the election. But if the race isn't close or if you lived in a state like California where Obama's a lock, or Kansas where McCain is, there's no reason really to vote for Obama if you find a lot of policies of Obama's such as I've mentioned above to be unsatisfactory. May as well use your vote in that case to lodge a protest against "business as usual" politics.

 

We're in a situation where a lot of things about our society and the world need a lot of changing. As vegans we all know how horrendous not only global warming but a lot of other environmental problems are, and that they're getting worse. Animals get treated abysmally. Wars are happening all the time. Poverty and even starvation affect billions of people. Even in the US, 50 million people don't have any health insurance. We're on the cusp of a major economic calamity, and even if we come out of it my guess is that the economy will continue to be increasingly chaotic and the US is due for a big fall from its current position as a superpower (which wouldn't be a bad thing for the rest of the world). The level of change we need if we want to live in a world that's actually decent will never come from Obama or any of those other politicians who claim to represent "change." It has to come from the grassroots, from ordinary people getting fed up enough and scared enough by the dire nature of our society's situation that they organize themselves to demand and fight for these big changes. I think that part of that organization has to involve building a major third party, and that we can't keep putting it off on the grounds that "now is not the time." There's never been a time when it's more important than it is now.

 

I see a lot of hating on Obama but we are 1 month away from a very important vote in the US and I very much do respect the people looking to vote for Green Party canadates, but fuck sake we cant screw around right now, I am sorry if that makes people think I am saying voting for an independent is screwing around, but since no media coverage, at least in Cleveland has been given to any independents I have to say this.

The one reason TO vote for Obama.... If he loses we will have a angry old man in office who WILL die very soon, and who wants WAR and his fucking vice president who will BE president when this ancient man dies is fucking insane and hates our cause and couldnt give a flying shit about animals.

Please think this through people, we cannot afford to lose this, not only because of the jobs lost, lifes of our young lost, but the animals will have no chance of reform when a bitch is in office hunting wolfs from planes and telling all woman to man up and go shoot themselfs a moose.

PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!

[aura]

I see a lot of hating on Obama but we are 1 month away from a very important vote in the US and I very much do respect the people looking to vote for Green Party canadates, but fuck sake we cant screw around right now, I am sorry if that makes people think I am saying voting for an independent is screwing around, but since no media coverage, at least in Cleveland has been given to any independents I have to say this.

The one reason TO vote for Obama.... If he loses we will have a angry old man in office who WILL die very soon, and who wants WAR and his fucking vice president who will BE president when this ancient man dies is fucking insane and hates our cause and couldnt give a flying shit about animals.

Please think this through people, we cannot afford to lose this, not only because of the jobs lost, lifes of our young lost, but the animals will have no chance of reform when a bitch is in office hunting wolfs from planes and telling all woman to man up and go shoot themselfs a moose.

PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!

I agree! Obama gets my vote!

[pelicanAndrew]

Trickle down economics don't work either.

 

If you're going to vote for someone based on their taxation scheme, you're just going to get bamboozled. Everyone is going to get fucked thanks to the last 8 years of insane deregulations and transfer of debt from private to public, corporate welfare etc etc. Really the best thing we can do is have a little solidarity (is there such thing as a LITTLE solidarity?) and give it back to the assholes who got us here. I'm not opposed to guillotines.

 

If I were voting, which I am, I'd vote based on who I think will run the country better. Who is going to get us out of Iraq (another huge financial sinkhole that will benefit only the super-rich and corporations) the fastest and who is pro-choice, pro-gay and not going to die in two years leaving the country to be run by an insane tongue speaking woman who doesn't even know the current policies of our government and thinks she has foreign policy experience from looking at Russia across the pacific ocean.

 

If I could put Ralph Nader in Office, or shit even Bob Barr i would tomorrow. Maybe we'll get a 3rd party in there one of these days to change shit up.

[veginator]

Getting him elected isn't the point. The point is to let the Democrats know that they can't take our votes for their pro-war, pro-big-business candidates for granted, and to build a more powerful force for change over time, a third party that not only runs candidates for office, but helps to organize people to put pressure on the politicians from outside the electoral process, through strikes, protests, boycotts, education of more and more of the public about what's wrong with our current system and what needs to change, etc. If you look at how things have changed over the course of history, it's never been mainly through electing one rather than the other major party's Presidential candidate to office, it's primarily been through the actions of ordinary people.

 

But third parties have played an important role in that process even though they're seldom competitive for higher office. Third parties have played an important role in the end of slavery, women's suffrage, the New Deal, and various other reforms, and they've played an even more vital role in other countries where they've been more successful. And it was Matt Gonzalez' Green Party candidacy for mayor of San Francisco that first brought the gay marriage issue to national attention, even though he lost a close election to Democrat Gavin Newsom, who hadn't been for gay marriage before but has made it a key thing he's advocated for since coming into office.

 

In short, you don't have to win to have a positive effect through running for office.

 

Yeah, Ralph Nader is a good choice. Unfortunately, as we all know, he doesn't stand a chance of being elected.