robert Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 A lighter side of the race issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frO6AC6wAc0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offense74 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 (edited) And I don't need to save money because of US taxes since I live in Sweden. We already have the worlds highest taxes and I love it.Yeah, I think we already talked about you 20 something percent unemployment rate. No ThanksThat's just not true. I'm looking at the statistics right now and our unemployment is way under 5%. Like I said in another thread you do have the best stink tanks and lobbyists in the world and making people horrified on "socialism" (we have something similar to a rightist kind of social democracy here) seems to be one of their top priorities.....Official statistics for anyone who cares to read it.Over 20% is just ridiculous and hope that people don't believe that. Sweden is not a third world country even if there are forces in the US who wants you to believe that (perhaps because we have public health care, I don't know...). Edited October 19, 2008 by offense74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 That's just not true. I'm looking at the statistics right now and our unemployment is way under 5%. Like I said in another thread you do have the best stink tanks and lobbyists in the world and making people horrified on "socialism" (we have something similar to a rightist kind of social democracy here) seems to be one of their top priorities..... http://discardedlies.com/entry/?14684_s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offense74 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 http://discardedlies.com/entry/?14684_sOooooh no, that is some weird shit. There is one link to another site that is not working. That is the only reference in there. It also states that people who are sick are unemployed. Do you consider yourself unemployed when you have the flu? As I keep reading the nutcase who wrote it just grabs figures out of the sky. All of a sudden he's up from 5,4 to 8,5?! What does he include in welfare and where do he gets his numbers. If you work part time you might have insurance to cover it, is that welfare? Is absence for parental leave (we have I think 9-12 months of that per child) included? Who knows? There are no information on the site on who the nutcase(es) are who's behind the site. The link I posted are the official numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveliberate Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 It is interesting to see Powell support Obama though I can't say that I care for either of their (or McCain's) politics & I am certainly not too full of "hope" for any particularly significant positive change resulting from Obama. Well if you can call me a racist, then I'll call you a dirt bag. Ok, I'll take your "dirt bag" & call me a "dreamer" too if ya like! As for you, argumentative, defensive and attention-seeking certainly seem to be fitting labels. Based on your statements here, I would not be surprised at all if you are racist but regardless, it is a fact that that most of "our" countries political history and more than a little of it's present day reality certainly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 It is interesting to see Powell support Obama though I can't say that I care for either of their (or McCain's) politics & I am certainly not too full of "hope" for any particularly significant positive change resulting from Obama. Well if you can call me a racist, then I'll call you a dirt bag. Ok, I'll take your "dirt bag" & call me a "dreamer" too if ya like! As for you, argumentative, defensive and attention-seeking certainly seem to be fitting labels. Based on your statements here, I would not be surprised at all if you are racist but regardless, it is a fact that that most of "our" countries political history and more than a little of it's present day reality certainly is.Excuse me but were you trying to say something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Gen. Colin Powell isn't a closet Democrat, he's a closet racist. Edited October 20, 2008 by Vegan Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Does anyone in this thread think they are convincing anyone or getting a positive return on the amount of time it takes to type in posts.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Does anyone in this thread think they are convincing anyone or getting a positive return on the amount of time it takes to type in posts.?Hey, don't ruin my fun. LOL Edited October 20, 2008 by Vegan Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I loved the Powell endorsement. His speech about Arab-Americans and trying to combat some of the negative rhetoric related to that was just perfect. Even if Obama were an "Arab", that's no reason to be against him. The US is a country based on universal values, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veginator Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I don't in general like Colin Powell's politics or actions as a public figure very much--most especially the fact that he was a key figure in brainwashing the American public into believing in Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" and thereby convincing the majority to initially support the Iraq war. But I give him a lot of credit for being one of the few prominent public figures to call McCain supporters on their racism. It's worth quoting him on this: I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said. Such things as 'Well you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.' Well the correct answer is 'He is not a Muslim, he's a Christian, he's always been a Christian.' But the really right answer is 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No. That's not America.' Is there something wrong with some 7-year old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she can be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion he's a Muslim and he might be associated with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America. There's also an interesting article at http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2008/10/powell_rejects_islamophobia.html discussing the significance of this part of his statement of support for Obama. Few Obama supporters (and not Obama, either) have been willing thus far to challenge the anti-Arab and anti-Muslim racism of so many McCain/Palin supporters that has been accepted if not encouraged by the McCain/Palin campaign itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahovegan Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Can someone please post a list of all of the white liberals that Colin Powell has endorsed over the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 OK racist might be a little strong but he is casting his vote based on race.Did Powell say this? Quote:If I had only had that in mind, I could have done this six, eight, 10 months ago. I really have been going back and forth between somebody I have the highest respect and regard for, John McCain, and somebody I was getting to know, Barack Obama. And it was only in the last couple of months that I settled on this. And I can't deny that it will be a historic event for an African-American to become president. And should that happen, all Americans should be proud--not just African-Americans, but all Americans--that we have reached this point in our national history where such a thing could happen. It will also not only electrify our country, I think it'll electrify the world. You bet he did.Fraudian slip?You can bet it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Take a look at the "electrify the world" comments, and how they relate to world perceptions, according to Nicholas Kristof: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/opinion/23kristof.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Take a look at the "electrify the world" comments, and how they relate to world perceptions, according to Nicholas Kristof: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/opinion/23kristof.html FROM THAT ARTICLE: She Said: But president? That’s such an important job! In America, I thought blacks were janitors and laborers. Do you really think electing a black president is going to cure world ignorance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Take a look at the "electrify the world" comments, and how they relate to world perceptions, according to Nicholas Kristof: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/opinion/23kristof.html FROM THAT ARTICLE: She Said: But president? That’s such an important job! In America, I thought blacks were janitors and laborers. Do you really think electing a black president is going to cure world ignorance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Do you really think electing a black president is going to cure world ignorance? Of course not. But it will challenge some people's assumpions about the US. Wheher that is a facor in how you vote, and to what degree, is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnoutlook Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 "dont believe everything you google."m. ghandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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