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Science... they've been telling us for years to drink alcohol daily to prevent heart diseases, and now they are telling us it causes a myriad of cancers (basically, tumors to all organs from mouth to anus). Thing is, it does not prevent cardiovascular diseases, it just improve heart and arteries IF you eat cheeseburgers, bacon and other animal fats and junk food. If you eat an healthy diet, what is there to prevent !?

A British study points out that ALL alcohol increase risks of cancers for women -- including wine, which makes sense. Another study from University of Montreal and McGill University tells about the samething for men.

 

 

http://healthandfitness.sympatico.msn.ca/News/ContentPosting?newsitemid=2422795021&feedname=CP-HEALTH&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True

 

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON - A study of nearly 1.3 million British women offers yet more evidence that moderate alcohol consumption increases the risk of a handful of cancers.

 

 

British researchers surveyed middle-aged women at breast cancer screening clinics about their drinking habits, and tracked their health for ...

 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/08/alcohol-beer-wine-cancer-risk.html

 

If you’d like to increase your risk of getting an array of cancers, a new study suggests you should hit the bottle.

 

Canadian researchers compared the drinking habits of 3,064 Montreal men who developed 13 kinds of cancer with the tendencies of 507 age-matched controls who were cancer-free. They found that consumption of beer, wine and spirits boosted the odds of developing many kinds of cancer. The association held up even after controlling for age, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, diet and smoking history.

 

I used to drink a lot but I've quit completely since a year and a half and its much better like this - I dont need this shit to have fun or to relax.

I find it funny that science and nutritionists been saying for like a decade that its good for the heart to drink alcohol daily, and that wine provides lots of anti-oxydants and everyone should drink one-two glass a day to improve health. Eventhough they were saying that moderation is better, they never talked about any health risks for moderate drinking.

 

It’s not particularly surprising that alcohol isn’t necessarily a health food, but researchers still don’t know why it seems to do so much damage.

What is so mysterious ? we use alcohol to kill microbes (life) on injuries, etc; everything that is not a normal food (with calories, micro and macro-nutrients, good taste, etc), like vinegar, salt, pepper, refined sugar, alcohol, tobacco, etc is harmful.

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I agree, and I have had my share of alcohol induced "good times," let me tell you.

 

Far better to relax with yoga, breathing, walking in nature, lovely intimacy with your beloved, meditation, journaling, uplifting, spiritual conversation with enlightened friends...

 

pickled brain=pickled consciousness....

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yeah... what I dont really like is how the mass medias do what they like with science; for instance, there's studies since decades showing how meat or dairies can be bad for health for they accept to tell about it only 10 years after, and they dont talk about it too much so most people never hear about it, and the hundreds of million dollars for advertisements paid by the milk industry and the governments (so, paid by all taxpayers) for milk and dairies is always greater than the little we hear about those studies.

For alcohol it is the samething, there's been studies showing how bad it is, since decades, but they never talked about it, instead of this they've been telling how good it is for the heart, so they can boost sales. That's a shame.

 

Some interesting comments from one of the 2 links.

 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/08/alcohol-beer-wine-cancer-risk.html

 

 

Why don't you tell us what new about this study? The connection between alcohol and cancer has been known for decades. A Pubmed search for ethanol and cancer yields 6725 articles, including a major review from 30 years ago in the journal Cancer:

Schottenfeld D. Alcohol as a co-factor in the etiology of cancer. Cancer. 1979 May;43(5 Suppl):1962-6.

 

Posted by: Craig Anderson | August 03, 2009 at 03:56 PM

 

They say that red wine helps prevent heart conditions, but alcohol causes cancer! So, to drink or not to drink, that is the question....

 

Posted by: Josh Effron | August 03, 2009 at 06:14 PM

 

 

Alcohol is made from the excrement of a living yeast organism. When the yeast is fed carbs in the form of grapes, hops, potatoes, corn etc., it digests it and excretes toxic alcohol. Yes, alcohol is YEAST POOP. The yeast itself is the first victim of the toxin waste it produces. The hilarious thing about it is that we are dumb enough to fall for the advertising that drinking this will make us healthy, smart, confident, sexy... We don't see the physiological damage including impotence and breast cancer and what it does to our unborn children. As my marketing profesor said, "With a big enough advertising budget, you can get people to do anything."

 

Posted by: Bernice | August 10, 2009 at 08:40 PM

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These studies don't actually say what you are claiming.

 

I haven't ever heard science--you know--"they", as if science was a particular individual or institution instead of a method, say that people should drink because it's good for the heart. Doesn't mean no one has said that, but the recommendations I've always heard were that if someone already drinks, 1/day for women or 2/day for men isn't excessive and may have some benefits. Yes, red wine contains antioxidants, and yes, people have championed that its resveratrol is beneficial for heart health because it has been shown to keep the endothelium pliant. The potential benefit from alcohol in general is higher HDL cholesterol levels, not antioxidants.

 

That first article you linked to says:

Alcohol consumption was linked to esophageal and oral cancers only when smokers drank.

 

Also, moderate drinkers actually had a lower risk of thyroid cancer, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and renal cell cancer.

 

For an individual woman, the overall alcohol risk is small.

I don't see how that entirely supports your statement "A British study points out that ALL alcohol increase risks of cancers for women"

 

That second study found that

For several cancers (oesophagus, stomach, colon, liver, pancreas, lung, prostate) there was evidence of increased risk among alcohol consumers compared with abstainers and occasional drinkers. For most sites, it was beer and to a lesser extent spirits consumption that drove the excess risks. Conclusions: Our results support the hypothesis that moderate and high alcohol intake levels over the lifetime might increase cancer risk at several sites.

 

I don't see anything mentioned in either article about cheeseburgers and bacon. Also, nothing says that alcohol causes a myriad of cancers. It shows that there's an increased risk, which implies those who don't drink still can get these cancers. The alcohol is a factor but isn't shown to be the cause.

 

Also none of this is put into any kind of perspective. Nowhere do these studies claim that alcohol has no benefits nor do they claim that these increased cancer risks outweigh any potential benefits.

 

If you eat an healthy diet, what is there to prevent !?
This is an absurd statement. Do you seriously think that a healthy diet solves every kind of disease? It makes them significantly better, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're somehow immune.
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These studies don't actually say what you are claiming.
There are other studies/articles that are way more alarming than these two. In older articles, they said that for women, only one glass of red wine per day increase breast cancer by 10% if I remember well, and 2 glasses, by 35%. But the 2 links here, yeah I should have chosen others, but I've read those 2 yesterday at the sametime and thought I could post them because they are new. They are not even 'studies' but just articles, and they are not alarming at all, I could even say they kinda try to reassure people. They don't use precise terms: when they say 'heavy' drinkers or 'moderate' drinkers, we never know exactly what they mean. But anyways, just like you quoted, they write that moderate drinking also increase risks. These are just 2 articles, I've read elsewhere that drinking increases risks of cancers and that smoking at the same time increases it even more.

 

 

That second study found that

For several cancers (oesophagus, stomach, colon, liver, pancreas, lung, prostate) there was evidence of increased risk among alcohol consumers compared with abstainers and occasional drinkers. For most sites, it was beer and to a lesser extent spirits consumption that drove the excess risks. Conclusions: Our results support the hypothesis that moderate and high alcohol intake levels over the lifetime might increase cancer risk at several sites.

 

I don't see anything mentioned in either article about cheeseburgers and bacon. Also, nothing says that alcohol causes a myriad of cancers. It shows that there's an increased risk, which implies those who don't drink still can get these cancers. The alcohol is a factor but isn't shown to be the cause.

I never said it is THE cause of cancers, but it can cause cancers... Do you think I said that nothing cause diseases except alcohol, and that all diseases are caused by alcohol ? Also, yes, it does say a myriad of cancers. It says ''a handful of cancers'' and ''an array of cancers'', ''many kinds of cancers'', and in other articles, it could say ''a myriad of cancers'', like in MY ARTICLE, i.e, this post. I never said I was doing a summary of the articles, I was rather writing my opinion on the subject. I dont get it why you inspect every word of the 2 articles and you compare them with mines. If you believe alcohol is healthy and does not cause any cancers, that's fine.

About animal fats and bacon, why would they have to talk about this ? I was talking about the fact that people clog their veins with Kentucky Fried Chicken and then they are being told to drink alcohol and red wine to prevent heart attacks.

 

 

If you eat an healthy diet, what is there to prevent !?
This is an absurd statement. Do you seriously think that a healthy diet solves every kind of disease? It makes them significantly better, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're somehow immune.
You don't understand, I wasn't talking about all diseases, but the heart related diseases that alcohol drinking is supposed to prevent.
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whoa...who wants to argue that alcohol contributes to cancer formation? or that animal fat/protein does as well? I don't need 100 research studies to tell me this, its so obvious. But I have read a lot of information to support it anyway.

 

as well, a person can have a perfect diet, but if they are continually thinking negative thoughts, they can also create cancer. There are many factors involved...but I would not argue that alcohol is one of them.

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Glad I am a teetotaller. Never been drunk. Saw my sisters drunk when I was very young and they acted so stupid, I thought to myself "How stupid do you have to be to make yourself more stupid." I drank wine for about a year because I thought it would be something to converse about with people I don't like. Well, I still didn't want to talk to those people, and I found out it taste like crap.

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I wasn't completly wasted at the gym, just drunk enough so that its a stimulation like energy drinks etc; and I was drinking before entering the gym, not with a vodka bottle in my had But i remember sometimes I would have while training those alcohol + energy drink beverages, a mixture of gin, vodka, juice, energy drink...

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I drink once a week but no more. The key to alcohol is moderation.

 

Moderation is a horribly abused word. It means whatever YOU want it to mean. I would classify you have a heavy drinker because in my family, my parents would drink maybe 4 or 5 times a year. So, what is moderate to me is obviously not moderate to you. And someone who drinks once a day would say they are moderate to those who drink twice a day.

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drugs are drugs, they have slighlty different effects or some are stronger than others but people take them for the same purpose. If you notice in your diagram, most drugs are in more than one categories.

People take uppers and then downers and then uppers and then they need downers, and then they hallucinate and then etc... so it all comes to the samething, imao.

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drugs are drugs,

That's an incorrect basis on which to build an argument.

 

they have slighlty different effects or some are stronger than others but people take them for the same purpose.

Antipsychotics are not the same as analgesics are not the same as anxialytics are not the same as depressants are not the same as hallucinogens etc. There's going to be some overlap, sure, but even within the same category they have different biological effects. Prozac and wellbutrin might both be prescribed for depression, but they don't have the same biological activity. On the other hand, different benzodiazepines can have very similar activation, but differ slightly enough that they won't all work for the same ailments.

 

It's absurd to say that people take them all for the same purpose, even the recreational ones. Nobody I know expects alcohol to act the same way as caffeine, so they don't take them for like purposes. That would be idiotic. Nobody takes cocaine expecting it to calm them down or ketamine expecting it to rev them up.

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I was only talking about the recreational drugs; I know nobody takes Viagra for the same purpose as alcohol... eventhough Viagra could be categorized also as a recreational drug (lol). What I mean is people take drugs like cocaine or alcohol to make them feel better, more happy. At least it works like this for me. I guess each person reacts differently to drugs. But dont tell me that people in bars and nightclubs drink alcohol to be depressed, just because alcohol is said to be a depressant/downer. Most people drink alcohol and then they start to dance, fight and fuck all night, not really go hang themselves.

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I was only talking about the recreational drugs; I know nobody takes Viagra for the same purpose as alcohol... eventhough Viagra could be categorized also as a recreational drug (lol). What I mean is people take drugs like cocaine or alcohol to make them feel better, more happy. At least it works like this for me. I guess each person reacts differently to drugs. But dont tell me that people in bars and nightclubs drink alcohol to be depressed, just because alcohol is said to be a depressant/downer. Most people drink alcohol and then they start to dance, fight and fuck all night, not really go hang themselves.

We can probably agree to disagree here. I'm just saying the physiological effect isn't going to be the same as an energy drink. But the psychosomatic effects might overwhelm that for you.

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None of this should be a surprise; if anything, it's just a matter of what is publicized and when.

 

Alcohol is a risk factor for oral and GI cancers, and has been considered as such for a long, long time. The risk is proportional to how long the alcohol is in contact with the mucosa....so drinking a lot, and drinking frequently, increases your risk.

 

Alcohol is also cardioprotective. The people with the cleanest arteries are often heavy drinkers; they might have cirrhosis and/or cancer, and all the other problems of heavy drinkers, but their arteries generally have less plaque than people who are overall extremely healthy.

 

That's just ethanol itself. Red wine is better for your cardiovascular system than, say, whiskey, but really, anything with alcohol both protects the cardiovascular system and increases the risk of certain cancers.

 

The whole idea of having a few glasses of red wine per week being healthy is based on the idea that the cardioprotection outweighs the risk of cancer in terms of reducing PYLL (potential years of life lost). But no doctor worth his salt should deny that alcohol is a risk factor for cancer, OR that alcohol reduced plaque buildup in arteries.

 

Whether or not you choose to have a few drinks per week (1 a day or less), there are pros and cons from a health perspective. Drinking more than the equivalent of 1 glass of wine per day won't be endorsed by any doctor, though, as being specifically 'good' for you.

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