AVOJAMACADA Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Im no longer vegan but thought Id share my latest pic as vegan.Ive started to include local organic free range(my good freinds) eggs,for reasons id rather not say.Also cuz I dont wanna argue. Thx for everything ya'll!!Much love.. http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r304/AVOJAMACADA/jan10.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/93/2lt25fl.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pazios2002 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Okay bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOJAMACADA Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 ...Thx. haha last post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAINRA Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 if you decide to come back to veganism you will have all our support! You always got support here! Through thick and thin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Im no longer vegan but thought Id share my latest pic as vegan.Ive started to include local organic free range(my good freinds) eggs,for reasons id rather not say.Also cuz I dont wanna argue. Thx for everything ya'll!!Much love.. http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r304/AVOJAMACADA/jan10.jpg I'm curious what the reasons are. you shouldn't worry about what people think on here, some will flame u but at the end of the day it's your life and you need to do what's best for you. Not what you need to do to fit some title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOJAMACADA Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 Couture and Rainra-Much Thx. Nice display of heart!!...Though its been just a seasonal phase( hah easier when it's not -42 out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Jezz -42 would be hard to stay on any diet. What do you do up there? for fun and work? It must be nice durning the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOJAMACADA Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Jezz -42 would be hard to stay on any diet. What do you do up there? for fun and work? It must be nice durning the summer It aint easy man.Cars litterally dont start.Winter boots freeze in half.ANTI-freeze.....well it freezes solid. No imagine the produce,etc here.haha...that's part the reason of my choice. it's a good time here.snowboarding,ski-dooing,working out,a weekly nude jump into the snow banks.Everywere you look is a post card...You know.. Have a good one brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Sounds cool, you near alaska or more inland? You play bass also right? I'm a guitar player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 It aint easy man.Cars litterally dont start.Winter boots freeze in half.ANTI-freeze.....well it freezes solid. No imagine the produce,etc here.haha...that's part the reason of my choice.I know what you mean, My wife is Eskimo from where no trees grow. I see the fallacy of everyone going on a vegan diet. I know a little about what it takes to survive in climates like that. To go vegan in places like hers, you really have to stock the root cellar which is not always possible and get the right kind of nutrition to sustain you in those kind of conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobsteriffic Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I was just curious about where you are in the north. I grew up for quite awhile in Churchill, so I know what you mean about no trees, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOJAMACADA Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Couture...yah bro play bass in the band(wauntid) and drum,guitar,trombones,etc. and losbter...Im In the yukon(dawson city) and northern BC.Churchill is a bruutal place though!!made you tough prolly haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobsteriffic Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Yeah, being chased by all of those polar bears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruz Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I've had the egg argument with many many vegans...I think that if there is some symbiosis going on, ie the chickens are protected, looked after well and fed and allowed to live a normal life, then there is no problem eating their unfertilized eggs. In these specific circumstances, while it may not "technically" be vegan I consider it to be "ethically" vegan..which is what I personally think is the most important Please don't argue with me about this anyone! You can't change my mind as I've thought about this issue many times and still agree with myself LOL. When I lived in the countryside, we kept chickens. They were allowed full run of the grounds during the day and were put in their pen at night. If they had been living in the wild, most of them would have probably been killed by predators. When they stopped laying the chickens were kept as pets and allowed to die naturally from old age. I ate their eggs and STILL called myself vegan, because I felt I got as much benefit from my relationship with the chickens as they got from me and was IN NO WAY, involved in animal exploitation. I also wanted to make a point. For me, veganism isn't about following a set of dietry rules which "define" you as a vegan. Vegan is an ethical choice and if you live ethically then you can call yourself vegan, even if you do eat eggs! I've always been a bit of an anarquist so that explains why I hate stupid, "blanket" rules such as "no eggs". If the eggs are ethically produced I for one, would still consider you to be a vegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I can't believe I really have to state such an obvious fact, but eating eggs is never vegan. I don't think eating eggs in the circumstances described above means that you're a bad person, but it does mean that you aren't/weren't vegan. Of course as vegans in a very non-vegan world we all have to make comprimises at times (e.g. medication) but some issues like what we choose to eat are just black & white. Surely the whole underlying ethos of veganism is that speciesism is wrong and that non-human animals do not exist to provide humans with food, clothes, entertainment etc. By consuming eggs you are completely undermining this principle and also reinforcing the notion that all vegans are looking for excuses to consume animal products because our diet is deficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruz Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Like I said..I dont agree with you and I never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I like your outlook Ruz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 No 2 ways about it: Ovo-vegetarianI don't argue with the fact that you or I have the right to call (categorize) ourselves anyway we choose. But the truth is the truth. You want me to think of you as a vegan who eats egg?I'm OK with that, what ever makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOJAMACADA Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 I've had the egg argument with many many vegans...I think that if there is some symbiosis going on, ie the chickens are protected, looked after well and fed and allowed to live a normal life, then there is no problem eating their unfertilized eggs. In these specific circumstances, while it may not "technically" be vegan I consider it to be "ethically" vegan..which is what I personally think is the most important Please don't argue with me about this anyone! You can't change my mind as I've thought about this issue many times and still agree with myself LOL. When I lived in the countryside, we kept chickens. They were allowed full run of the grounds during the day and were put in their pen at night. If they had been living in the wild, most of them would have probably been killed by predators. When they stopped laying the chickens were kept as pets and allowed to die naturally from old age. I ate their eggs and STILL called myself vegan, because I felt I got as much benefit from my relationship with the chickens as they got from me and was IN NO WAY, involved in animal exploitation. I also wanted to make a point. For me, veganism isn't about following a set of dietry rules which "define" you as a vegan. Vegan is an ethical choice and if you live ethically then you can call yourself vegan, even if you do eat eggs! I've always been a bit of an anarquist so that explains why I hate stupid, "blanket" rules such as "no eggs". If the eggs are ethically produced I for one, would still consider you to be a vegan. In term of what society defines vegan obviously youd be considered "wrong"( i cant stand labels).I tend to agree with you and I litterally see and feed and communicate with the chickens that I eat the eggs from.And till someone lives in an area were its litterally minus 40 for 6 months of the year then I could care less what their opinion is.And to say say it's torture/inhumane and all that,when I know how the animals are treated so good is a joke In my opinion.. But as always to each there own. Thx for the replies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Moondog Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 What would the chicken do with an unfertilized egg, anyhow? Are you taking something from them that they wouldn't choose on their own to let go of? No. Like eating an apple that's fallen off the tree. I'm not saying I personally eat eggs anymore, but I agree with Ruz that there is nothing unethical about it under certain circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruz Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Thanks Ellie.I don't eat eggs either, but I see veganism as "ethical eating" and not a list of what you can and can't eat.I know many vegans who would shudder at the thought of eating eggs from "pet" chickens, but then purchase many unethically produced foods from the supermarket, which exploit people in the third world, or damage the environment etcI think people need to think about what veganism means to them.You don't award someone the title "vegan", that's just more of that "holier than thou" crap which some vegans like to spurt and which makes ALL carnivores HATE vegans and NEVER helped spread our message either!This guy is living in harmony with his environment and isn't exploiting animals!! He is an ethical eater and so a "vegan" in my book.I could, afterall, argue that any vegan out there who is a pet owner, is ALSO exploiting animals..I dont see much difference really. Both species receive positive benefits from the relationship.Some of you need to see the larger picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Moondog Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Thanks Ellie...You don't award someone the title "vegan", that's just more of that "holier than thou" crap which some vegans like to spurt and which makes ALL carnivores HATE vegans and NEVER helped spread our message either! ...Some of you need to see the larger picture Exactly. I have had MANY conversations with vegans/vegetarians about the difference between POSITIVELY encouraging and motivating a person, and BULLYING them. No one ever changed because they were bullied. In fact, the way motivation and ambivalence works, it actually strengthens their resolve NOT to change. So yeah, big picture folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 The bigger picture is you can't have it both ways.Look I don't care what you think, or call yourself, or me, or anyone else. But a rose is still a rose...Besides those chicken eggs would be fertilized if you would be less cruel and have a cock around. Seems cruel to me to keep them in an unnatural environment with out the opposite sex.But like I said I will think of you as you would want to be thought of. I'm good with that.A pig is not a cow just because you glue horns on his head.You want it your way, why because you like the label to fit you, and not you fit the label, so don't give me that holier than thou I don't like labels stuff. Labels are necessary. Because how else can you talk about something without giving it a name that most can agree on. Seems like communication would be darn near impossible.I'm not here to argue, just giving my rational as I see it. It's like a wannabe who doesn't really want to be.Please don't take this to heart, I still love you! We all have a right to an opinion. Just giving mine.Consciously eating eggs on a regular basis seems a little outside the box. Ovo-Vegetarian, now Get over it.No one is condemning you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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