fitrx Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Hello all ... This one caught my eye as a vegan pharmacist ... so I had to chime in. Depending on what works for your day to day routines ... I have found a weekly B12 sub-lingual lozenge (2,000 mcg - 2,500 mcg) to be the most practical to keep my B12 levels within range - If I forget one week - so what ... I take it the next time around and get in 4 tabs/month. I always have my B12 level (blood work) checked during my annual physical and have been @ the top of the limits. Therefore, this is keeping my B12 stores satisfactory and I have noticed improvements in my other related labs as well - and I have decreased the amount I supplement as well ... I always suggest that all vegetarians, esp. vegans get annual blood work and then tailor their supplements accordingly ... otherwise you are wasting your money and/or driving blind. I recently found that my Vitamin D stores were critically low and have added a Vitamin D2 supplement 2,400 IU/day to resolve that issue ... esp with the risk of bone fractures as a body builder, IMPORTANT! Watch out for D3 ... this one is derived from animal sources! Most multivitamins utilize D3 - heads up! So overall ... ask your physician to run a folate, B12, Vitamin D, Tranferrin saturation, Iron and whatever else they deem appropriate ... and then tailor your supplements accordingly ... You may not need anything if your diet is consistent and your are within normal limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 So overall ... ask your physician to run a folate, B12, Vitamin D, Tranferrin saturation, Iron and whatever else they deem appropriate ... and then tailor your supplements accordingly ... You may not need anything if your diet is consistent and your are within normal limits.Yeah, but the problem is that you have to make up some BS reason for them doing the tests, otherwise a blood panel will run $300-$400! Vitamin D by itself is $40 for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitrx Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Your insurance will cover it if you inform them you are vegetarian/vegan - and then it becomes medically necessary ... but you would need to check since insurance is funny these days ... I have BCBS and it was covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnzem Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 you can also try this product: http://www.energiseforlife.com/item--Synergy-Spirulina-(100-veggie-capsules)--SPIRULINA100.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuc Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 you can also try this product: http://www.energiseforlife.com/item--Synergy-Spirulina-(100-veggie-capsules)--SPIRULINA100.html OMG this is nasty. SPIRULINA DOES NOT HAVE B12 IN IT. Instead it has B12 analogues. Otherwise spirulina is a great food, but it can be very dangerous to market spirulina as a B12 source. It can permanently damage people who use it as their only source of B12. Chlorella on the other hand does have biologically usable B12 but it is totally a different plant and with the limited research information, I would not count on that one either as the only B12 source. I use Veg1 Multivitamin and chlorella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMvegan Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Lobsteriffic- if you're good about taking the multi every day and it has at least 25 micrograms of b-12 in it (preferably as cyanocobalamin) you should be fine. Cyanocobalamin is not the preferred form. Cyanocobalamin does not affect homocysteine methylation. Since vegans have elevated homocysteine levels (you can google this for studies), methylcobalamin would be the better form, as well as other methylating nutrients like B6, folate, TMG and creatine. Read here: http://www.drinkyourvitamins.com/images/stories/dyv_pdf/hpomethylation_olaloa.pdfand here: http://www.drinkyourvitamins.com/homocysteine-the-key-to-heart-attack-stroke-cancer.htmlAlthough these links are from a commercial source (Ola Loa vitamins) they are written by Dr. Richard Kunin, a well-respected orthomolecular physician. here's another:http://www.naturalnews.com/020019.htmlAlthough I am LOATH to link to NaturalNews, this is a good interview. Hello all ... This one caught my eye as a vegan pharmacist ... so I had to chime in. Depending on what works for your day to day routines ... I have found a weekly B12 sub-lingual lozenge (2,000 mcg - 2,500 mcg) to be the most practical to keep my B12 levels within range - If I forget one week - so what ... I take it the next time around and get in 4 tabs/month. I always have my B12 level (blood work) checked during my annual physical and have been @ the top of the limits. Therefore, this is keeping my B12 stores satisfactory and I have noticed improvements in my other related labs as well - and I have decreased the amount I supplement as well ... I always suggest that all vegetarians, esp. vegans get annual blood work and then tailor their supplements accordingly ... otherwise you are wasting your money and/or driving blind. I recently found that my Vitamin D stores were critically low and have added a Vitamin D2 supplement 2,400 IU/day to resolve that issue ... esp with the risk of bone fractures as a body builder, IMPORTANT! Watch out for D3 ... this one is derived from animal sources! Most multivitamins utilize D3 - heads up! So overall ... ask your physician to run a folate, B12, Vitamin D, Tranferrin saturation, Iron and whatever else they deem appropriate ... and then tailor your supplements accordingly ... You may not need anything if your diet is consistent and your are within normal limits.This is good advice on the B12. A few sublingual tablets per month (1000mcg of methylcobalamin) elevated my B12 to very high levels as well. As far as the D2 goes, you should be aware it's an unnatural form of vitamin D. It's not normally found in the body and is not as effective as D3 in raising 25(OH)D levels. We know about how much D3 the skin produces, and we know about how much D3 that equates to in supplement form. We know D2 is not natural, not as effective-- about all it has going is that it's vegan. So my recommendation would be to use a tanning bed that specifically emits the UV wavelengths that produce vitamin D. here's a link to a google site search of Vitamin D Council:http://www.google.ca/search?q=d2+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.vitamindcouncil.org%2F&hl=en&biw=1229&bih=491&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjs Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 As far as the D2 goes, you should be aware it's an unnatural form of vitamin D. It's not normally found in the body and is not as effective as D3 in raising 25(OH)D levels. We know about how much D3 the skin produces, and we know about how much D3 that equates to in supplement form. We know D2 is not natural, not as effective-- about all it has going is that it's vegan. So my recommendation would be to use a tanning bed that specifically emits the UV wavelengths that produce vitamin D. here's a link to a google site search of Vitamin D Council:http://www.google.ca/search?q=d2+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.vitamindcouncil.org%2F&hl=en&biw=1229&bih=491&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=Whoa whoa whoa there. A tanning bed instead of D2?! That doesn't sound like a good idea at all. D2 is the form the original rickets studies showed effective. While D3 has been shown more effective recently at keeping blood levels elevated, D2 hasn't been shown ineffective or dangerous. UV on the other hand is dangerous. Not to the point we have to hide under rocks all day, but D2 supplementation just seems more sensible than tanning beds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMvegan Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Whoa whoa whoa there. A tanning bed instead of D2?! That doesn't sound like a good idea at all. D2 is the form the original rickets studies showed effective. While D3 has been shown more effective recently at keeping blood levels elevated, D2 hasn't been shown ineffective or dangerous. UV on the other hand is dangerous. Not to the point we have to hide under rocks all day, but D2 supplementation just seems more sensible than tanning beds.Notice I didn't say D2 is ineffective and dangerous, just that it's not natural (which seems like a philosophical contradiction given most people here eat a vegan diet at least partially for this reason) and less effective than D3. Regarding your point on UV being dangerous: I could link you to studies on sun exposure vs sun avoidance, discuss the relative merits of high serum 25(OH)D3 over UV avoidance, discuss sunscreen, specify the (rather small) amount of UV exposure necessary for D3 production, mention the opinions of various dermatologists, talk about optical isomers of D3 that boost mood and are produced from UV exposure but not supplementation--- but, suffice to say, the whole of human (and most species') evolution would argue against UV being "dangerous"... just sayin'. edit: I guess I would concede that UV is dangerous. I mean, theoretically, you can kill yourself by drinking water, so this does make water "dangerous" in that it has the possibility to create danger to one's health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RorschachSoy Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Notice I didn't say D2 is ineffective and dangerous, just that it's not natural (which seems like a philosophical contradiction given most people here eat a vegan diet at least partially for this reason) and less effective than D3. Regarding your point on UV being dangerous: I could link you to studies on sun exposure vs sun avoidance, discuss the relative merits of high serum 25(OH)D3 over UV avoidance, discuss sunscreen, specify the (rather small) amount of UV exposure necessary for D3 production, mention the opinions of various dermatologists, talk about optical isomers of D3 that boost mood and are produced from UV exposure but not supplementation--- but, suffice to say, the whole of human (and most species') evolution would argue against UV being "dangerous"... just sayin'. edit: I guess I would concede that UV is dangerous. I mean, theoretically, you can kill yourself by drinking water, so this does make water "dangerous" in that it has the possibility to create danger to one's health.Whether or not something is "natural" is very irrelevant. Appealing to nature is known as the naturalistic fallacy. The general concern with UV is that it is more likely to cause skin cancer in those with a family history of skin cancer, a family history of cancer in general, and with lighter, more sensitive skin. I agree it is not bad, but I personally would advocate more time in the sun over a tanning bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KumaraMash Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 In New Zealand, I use the Clinicians sublingual B12 (methylcobalamin). It costs $16 a bottle and lasts for 4 months. Only one drop a day, which contains 50mcg of B12. Also, cyanocobalamin isn't the best form of B12 to have. A build up of cyanide from it when it metabolises can be a problem for some people, plus you need intrinsic factor to absorb it. The good thing with co-enzyme forms of B12 (like methylcobalamin) means you can absorb it more readily as it does not require the intrinsic factor. As for the effectiveness of D2, a study from the Boston Medical School in 2008 showed it is just as effective as D2 and has the same toxicity as D3. If you do take a D2 supplement, do it when you are eating something fatty to help increase absorption. Humans have obviously evolved to obtain Vitamin D from plant/fungal sources as well when we migrated from the African savannah into cooler climates with greater variations of UV radiation during the year (this is just my theory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganResistance Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I get an injection every three months. It is government subsidised here which helps. I'm unsure of whether it is vegan though, but I do feel like I have few other options. I used to take Solgar 1000ug tablets but it affected my skin negatively (apparently from cyonide traces...?). B12 deficiency was one of the most horrible feelings I have had. Hey KumaraMash, I'm in Auckland too! Wooo! I will have to look into the sublingual drops you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KumaraMash Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I think I know who VeganResistance is now from the Auckland Vegan Fitness group on FB The B12 injection that is subsidised by the Ministry of Health is vegan, just contains a crapola of synthetic preservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfresh Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Dieting isn’t just about losing weight. If a person wants to lose weight , then there are several ways such as fasting, taking inadequate food, medications etc. But all these methods might affect other body parts. For dieting you have to find out the ideal weight and shape for yourself. So that, while dieting you can concentrate more upon those body parts which needs to be thinner. People have different affected areas of obesity. Some might have thin legs but very large belly. Some might have fat depositions in the middle back and arms while rest of the body would be in shape. how to diethow to be on a diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFitnessGirla Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I've been vegan for a year now and I'm still in the Dark Ages when it comes to vitamins and supplements. I take a multivitimin/mineral supplement, always have. For a while, aside from that, I took a B vitamin supplement for a while, then brewer's yeast in pill form. Should I take a B12 supplement aside from the multivitamins? Or should I take B vit supplement + multivitamins+B12 supplement? I'm a very active person, train 6 times a week, 41 year old mother of two, and I'm really concern about permanent damage that can be done to my body out of sheer ignorance. I need help! Any light shed on this matter will be eternally thanked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjs Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Follow the link in the OP. It's all right there. But the short answer is, you need to take a B12 supplement. Many people (including non vegans) don't get enough and many people don't absorb it well. The supplement is cheap, safe, and a deficiency doesn't usually present symptoms until permanent damage has occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsAdvocate Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Is Marmite/Vegemite not considered Vegan? Surely its better for you than relying on supplements. Needing supplements to survive would suck, what ever happened to good old mother nature looking after us? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganResistance Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 DevilsAdvocate, the B12 in Marmite is an added supplement, there are zero vegan food sources of B12 (as far as I am aware). sure, you could eat a whole bunch of Marmite, but personally I'd rather supplement - at least then I can control which form of B12 is being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmichael614 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Question- I take a b-12 chewable from Sundown that is "high potency" and leave it under my tongue to dissolve because I heard that it's better (the liquid is anyway). Anybody have info on the absorbency of the b-12 chew-able? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Fission Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm taking berocca as my b vitamin.each tablet has 8.6 μg b12 Is this a good source/enough b12?I also take a multi vitamin, liquid iron supplement(that has added b12, calcium). Only started supplementing this year though after 3 years of thinking i wouldnt need to.But now im more cautious and want the best progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm taking berocca as my b vitamin.each tablet has 8.6 μg b12 Is this a good source/enough b12? http://veganhealth.org/articles/dailyrecs http://veganhealth.org/articles/vitaminb12 I also take a multi vitamin, liquid iron supplement(that has added b12, calcium). If you are a man you shouldn't take iron at all. It can build up and become toxic. Only started supplementing this year though after 3 years of thinking i wouldnt need to.But now im more cautious and want the best progress. Everything you need to know about vegan supplements and vegan nutrition on one page: http://veganhealth.org/articles/dailyrecs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongtide Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I take a raw whole foods balanced B supplement made by MegaFood. Synthesized vitamins are not all that available to the body. I know the brand I take is vegetarian, but I'm not sure if it's vegan (I've read the ingredients over and over and can't see what would be in them that would not be vegan, but who knows. I think I'll contact the company). I am vegan, but the way I see it is if I'm spending the money, I WANT the vitamins to be bio available. Make sure the supplements you take come from natural sources (you'll know by price and usually the dosage is much lower because you actually absorb it, and the bottle will say "whole food" or 'derived from natural whole food sources' or something along those lines.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongtide Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Well, that was quick. MegaFood supplements are all vegan, apart from the probiotics. They are all raw, whole food supplements as well. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryansmith Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I've been vegan for almost 3 years, vegetarian for 10 and alive for 29, I can do 50 dips and I have never cared where I get vitamin B12 from:) A big thumbs up boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenasowambur Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Marmite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittyLove Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I recently read an article about avoid the Cyanocobalamin form as it can cause a build up of cyanide in the system which can cause a lot of problems that B12 is suppose to counter such as low energy, neurological disorders, etc. Interestingly, a different form of B12, Hydroxocobalamin, is used to treat cyanide poisoning. I took Cyanocobalamin for years before switching to Methylcobalamin. My recent blood test showed by B12 is high at 1239, so I am going to stop taking oral B12 and inject Hydroxocobalamin every 3 months of so. It is like $16 for 3mg. Probably the cheapest form when compared to absorbability of orals. It might also be possible that by low testosterone is caused by cyanide buildup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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