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Raising vegan babies and Vaccinations ?


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Taught in a hospital Childbirth Education for over 8 years, and three years at my local Community College in Continuing Ed. I don't do anything half assed or half cocked when it comes to my children/ family and their health. I have read. And I do know. A pharmacist's daughter, and I used to read the PDR for fun in college. I am quite informed of my decisions- and read nursing manuals and pediatric journals.

Which journals? Are they respected and peer-reviewed? Have they published research on vaccines and homeopathy?

 

Oh and used to do a quarterly seminar with a prominent La Jolla physician when I was still working at the hospital. Again...you are coming from a bias...I am coming from neutral.

I posted evidence for everything that I claimed. You haven't done anything of the sort, instead appealing to anecdote. Any bias I have is based entirely on science. You don't need to be "neutral" about issues where one side is clearly unsupported by fact. For example, I'm not "neutral" about evolution or gravity or thermodynamics.

 

Go back and reread my original reply...I have melded allopathic and homeopathic for years

And that's what I'm talking about. Homeopathy is quackery of the most obvious kind. There is no evidence for its efficacy or even for the fundamental mechanisms by which it claims to work. There's no research showing that it works, and plenty demonstrating that it's only as effective as a placebo at best. I posted links to back up my claims. Anyone who believes in the scientific method should find homeopathic medicine untenable. If, however, you choose to trust anecdotal evidence over actual science and research ... well, I guess there's nothing i can do to convince you.

 

On the flip side, I am sure you are a nice guy...just extremely opinionated and not necessarily in the right...just opinionated.

Believe me, I feel the same way. Nothing against you at all, and I'll readily admit that antivax and homeopathy get under my skin. The willingness to argue with you is a sign of respect. If I didn't care what you think, I'd have just moved on by now.

 

The original question posed was the issue of schools; I shared..you can sign a waiver if you choose not to immunize. Thats knowledge based. The choice to immunize or not is personal..all I did was answer a question..with fact and personal experience. Kudos that you did for your son..how old is he? I guaranfuckingtee that the immunization schedule is radically different than the ones my kids got...life is too short to quibble over this...now if you really want an argument and studies thrown back at you on WHY NOT TO...go read Jenny McCarthy's book,

OK, now Jenny, I don't care what she thinks. Jenny McCarthy is well-meaning but horribly confused, and her books are full of utterly incorrect science.

 

She believes in the "green vaccine" movement (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/06/05/green-our-vaccines-celebrity-antivaccina/) and is closely associated with Generation Rescue, which uses flawed trials (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/05/17/some-monkey-business-in-autism-research/) and phone surveys (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/06/27/fun-with-phone-surveys/) to trick people. She plays the meaningless "toxins" card (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/), even incorrectly claiming that vaccines contain antifreeze, which is purely, scientifically not true. She was made a fool of in Time magazine when she couldn't back up her claims (http://skepticfamily.com/2009/04/01/jenny-mccarthy-vs-time-magazine/).

 

For more concise explanations and links to research demonstrating conclusively the many ways in which she's wrong:

http://www.stopjenny.com/WhyJennyIsWrong.html

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-jenny-and-jim-antivaccine-propaganda-tour-has-begun/

 

Again, she means well, and I don't think she's being deliberately dishonest, but the science proves her wrong. She has nothing to back herself up.

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My kids are older... and if you read (instead of reposting shit you found online)--you would see, I did vaccinate, to a point, i am all about informed decision making.

 

Bruce, you're kind of being an asshole about all this...I read JAMA and ACOG materials current and relevant 8 years ago when my son was 12 and the school wanted his hib titer redone. (do you need to know what JAMA and ACOG are????) I dont save shit like that..it was 8 years ago..and nice as you may be..you're being an ass right now. Go back to original posters thoughts..she asked WHAT about schools..I provided an answer. If you feel its your mission to educate on immunizations...Go public. Put it on Fbook...Call Jenny...but you are just looking for an argument here..and really..if you want to reply..Go for it..but I know an asshole looking for an argument...I was married to one, once.

 

Oh, and I read 1/2 of one of Jenny's book...put it down..she is an idiot.

 

go ahead and rip me a new asshole..I won't respond again.

 

Go convince others,...

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My fiance and I decided it was for the best, better safe than sorry.. especially when it comes down to a pecious baby getting sick. she recieved two shots today and a oral vaccine, poor baby was cranky and tired all day long after; the up side she just wanted to cuddle with mommy and daddy all day long which is unusal for her now that she can hold herself up. lol

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My fiance and I decided it was for the best, better safe than sorry.. especially when it comes down to a pecious baby getting sick. she recieved two shots today and a oral vaccine, poor baby was cranky and tired all day long after; the up side she just wanted to cuddle with mommy and daddy all day long which is unusal for her now that she can hold herself up. lol

 

 

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