bbillcee Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 been doing 80-10-10 diet for a few months and losing strength in the work outs...so before i pack it in and start jacking up the protein again someone tell me why i shouldnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 811 doesn't work for everyone, especially those trying to pack on muscle mass. It's not the 'only' healthy diet, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillcee Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 811 doesn't work for everyone, especially those trying to pack on muscle mass. It's not the 'only' healthy diet, you know? I didnt want to add, but at least keep what i had :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegan_rossco Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hey, my advice would be to get off 80-10-10 if it's not working for you, personally it's never appealed to me at all. Just out of curiosity why did you decide to try it?Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillcee Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hey, my advice would be to get off 80-10-10 if it's not working for you, personally it's never appealed to me at all. Just out of curiosity why did you decide to try it?Ross read, watched so many good things about it...great for losing weight thou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepiante Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 From a biochemical standpoint; no animal on this planet is able gain muscle by consuming mostly fruit, especially humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Vegan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Gained muscle on 811: Chris CalifanoJustin MorganRichard BlackmanRunners Tim Van Ordan and Michael Arnstein gained muscle they didn't want on 811And there's primates. The most common reason for strength loss is actually energy loss from eating less calories, which is common, as fruit takes up a lot more room for its calories. Put your diet into Cronometer.com and see if you're eating enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepiante Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Gained muscle on 811: Chris CalifanoJustin MorganRichard BlackmanRunners Tim Van Ordan and Michael Arnstein gained muscle they didn't want on 811And there's primates. The most common reason for strength loss is actually energy loss from eating less calories, which is common, as fruit takes up a lot more room for its calories. Put your diet into Cronometer.com and see if you're eating enough. Chris Califano also consumes greens, nuts and seeds. Justin Morgan and muscle loss on 811 - TVO consumes avocados, A LOT of greens, and little fruit compared to everyone else. He would do much better if he included oily seeds. Michael Arnstein looks super healthy however he isn't an example of muscular. Primates consume large amounts of greens. It has been shown in biochemistry that Vitamin A and its derivatives stimulate protein synthesis and Vitamin K stimulates keratin synthesis. -- Compare a mostly fruit eating gorilla to a solely leaf eating gorilla.. who has more muscle? Fruit is like 90% water and doesn't take that much space and neither do greens if they are chewed properly. Its impossible to gain muscle on a raw diet without sufficient greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillcee Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 thx for replies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepiante Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I am also adding... Omega 6 fatty acids from whole foods.. oily seeds and nuts are very important for us humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidonic_acid#Arachidonic_acid_in_the_body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Vegan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Avocados are fruit. Nuts and seeds are excepted on 811 in small amounts. "Primates consume large amounts of greens." So? 811rs eat more greens than anyone else(except some, like DR -doesn't seem to slow his times down) Why link the Justin Morgan video? It was his opinion which concerned fat-loss. Muscle loss only happens with under-eating or lack of use. I never said Michael Arnstein was an example of muscular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepiante Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Avocados are fruit. Nuts and seeds are excepted on 811 in small amounts. "Primates consume large amounts of greens." So? 811rs eat more greens than anyone else(except some, like DR -doesn't seem to slow his times down) Why link the Justin Morgan video? It was his opinion which concerned fat-loss. Muscle loss only happens with under-eating or lack of use. I never said Michael Arnstein was an example of muscular. Accepted? Is 811 a doctrine? There is nothing wrong with a high consumption of nuts and oily seeds unless you live in a polluted city or smoke. I consume a good amount of oily seeds but I only use my mouth to break them down and mix them with saliva. I follow my instincts when I've had enough. Excellent videos for raw foodists. Muscle loss also happens when the body is too alkaline. I mean't that Michael Arnstein hasn't gained any considerable amount of muscle to be placed in your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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