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That sounds like a good deal...I've heard that people who are "undernourished" tend to live longer...I can't remember the particular calorie count, but it was pretty low...and of course they eat a plant based diet...it seems priviledged people tend to get obese...

I work for the SPCA here...it's kinda wierd...their mostly supported by rich cattle families, and BBQ joints help with alot of their fund raising...it's like working with the devil, but I have no say, I just clean shit and piss and make friends...

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There was a new study on centenarians(people over 100) and the majority ate very little meat and oddly enough had lower iron than most would reccommend(I think thats because the lifestyles they live don't require it)...the three longest living groups were Sardinians, Okinawans and oddly enough a high concentration of mostly vegetarian american(thats the odd part) 7th day Adventists.

As for the SPCA it was the best lousy job ever...they offered me pay and I wouldn't take it...I worked about 30hrs a week while being a full time student and college athlete...just so I could have puppies pee on my shoes I can't count how many times thats happened!!! Atleast college track athletes get all the free shoes they want

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I can see it as the best lousy job...honestly I only just started recently...I was a bit apprehensive at first, like I said mostly run by old Republican ladies...the way I see it, dogs and cats aren't republican or democrat...but they might be socialists, so that works

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concerning 7 Day Adventists...I had some friends here who were vegetarian from birth, their folks were 7 day Adventists. I believe thats what Kellog was ( the cereal founder)...on the flip side, Branch Davidians are a splinter group from 7 Day Adventists.

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honestly if I never needed to make a living I could live there...its such an awesome shelter and despite all the peeing on my shoe...and poo I've dropped on my shoes I still loved it.

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That and I think some of them had fun peeing on my shoe...I don't think its always just lack of attension...I remember this small puppy/monorchid(aka one testicle before the docs got to him) that had pissed on my shoe 3 times over a week before he was adopted...everytime he did it he seemed pretty happy...so atleast I was there for entertainment. Maybe he was thanking me for the homeade treats I brought every week.

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Does anyone remember the Simpson episode where a character called himself a 5th level vegan-doesn't eat anything that casts a shadow...pretty funny.

yeah, i saw that one! i am amazed at how many people know this joke. i started cracking up when i saw this button on sale at food fight. this quote has really caught on.

I think all would agree on, like people who call themselves vegetarian because they don't eat red meat on Fridays, they're actually Catholics.

yeah i remember those lent fridays. we always had enchiladas or fish. which always confused me. we could not eat animals, but it was still ok to eat fish. apparently a fish is not a real animal. does it have something to do with the feeding of the 5000 story? n-e-ways, i also thinks it's weird that during lent, i always ask for the meat free vegan dish everywhere i go. and i get all these comments like "oh what a nice boy, he's following the lent rules". but after lent though, when i tell people i still don't eat meat, suddenly i'm a freak. "what do you mean you don't eat no meat?!" apparently my reasons are only valid during lent fridays.

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Lent seems to be the day of no sin...the rest of the days are all fun. I had a friend in HS that actually gave up sex for lent...I'm pretty sure he couldn't have lasted a single day more than that.

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I myself am a recovering Catholic...

I find myself in the very peculiar and uncomfortable position of defending Catholicism quite often here...these self righteous evangelicals and Baptists are fond of saying Catholics are not Christian! Don't dare try to tell them that they sprung from it....no,no,no...Protestants have existed since Paul! What the hell are they "protesting" then?! But facts only confuse them and make them violent...

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Eating peanut butter cups to be a bulked up vegan is anti-vegan.

 

 

 

The choices to this poll make no sense:

 

When they are 100% vegan (based on animal rights concept) and make mistakes without intent!

 

What is 100% vegan? And if there is such a thing isn't that the answer to your question? Wouldn't being anything less than 100% vegan therefor not be vegan?

 

 

Just the diet as much as possible is good enough to be vegan.

 

When is "as much as possible" equal to "good enough"?

 

 

 

 

I think the biggest misconception about veganism is that there is one way to be vegan. If you are asking for the minimum requirements I would say that one would have to be vegetarian and also refrain from those animal products which the person feels causes an animal pain. I don't believe there is such a thing as an unethical vegan. It's a personal label and unfortunately unless everybody agrees to subnames for different kinds of vegans we will be lumped together.

 

 

But most importantly, it shouldn't be a contest of who is better etc. The goal for any vegan should be to convince nonvegans to consider a more compassionate lifestyle for animals. It's a very simple thing that many people forget.

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I don't recall saying I ate them to "bulk up"- I ate them because they are a vice- like a riding in a car fueled by animal products, or wearing shoes held together by glue made from animal products...

It is impossible to be 100% vegan, the world around us thrives on animal exploitation...but I agree that the goal is too inspire others...sometimes peer pressure to do better and not give into vice is good...sometimes it seems its a contest to some folks...those contestants usually move on to their next trend in a short time.

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Veganism is the whole sense of the lifestyle. If you don't eat any animal products your a vegetarian. AKA no eggs aren't vegetarian and either is dairy...I've never seen a milk tree(although there is milk thistle)...vegetarian is a term for an animal whos diet purely comes from plant life...honey isn't vegetarian either...the hive doen't grow from a tree bees build it there. The term vegan is really just for vegetarians that care about how animals are involved in things not related to their diet.

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So do I still have to turn in my membership? My vice overcame me, I still care about animal exploitation tho...I do what I can...technically my wife and daughter really care as well, but they eat eggs and milk products... We (Lori & I) actually just had this discussion at lunch today. Like I said before, contact with others can be inspiring. It's easy to convince yourself you're doing all you can...

I must say there is alot of inspiration here to do better...

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At the risk of being called a totally anti vegan mass murderer, I have an ethical question, and despite my tone it is a serious question...

I live in a part of Amarillo that is notorious for flea and tick infestations, no matter what preventative measures we take, it seems the only way to control the problem is spraying the yard. Every vet I've talked to has told me spraying the yard is the only solution. Is wrong that I may launch an all out attack on these blood sucking parasites? Not just for our animal friends' sake, but for our own. I had a vegan friend (if I can still call them vegan) who got lyme disease, she said it was horrible, she freaked anytime she saw a tick...and she hated them...killed every one.

My options are...

1) wage war on the parasites

2) leave them be at risk of health complications for my family (including the animals who live with us)

3) some how come up with a fortune to move into an area where I don't intrude into parastites living space...

4) ignite a class war to overthrow the capitalist power structure which forces the working class to live in areas and situations where human and animal health is compromised

I'm leaning towards #4, but that takes time...

As ridiculous as it sounds, this is a serious question.I have seen vegans go ape shit over people killing cockroaches and/or parasites...but then they usually live in their parents comfy suburban home and eventually dump veganism for something hipper...

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If you dress right you shouldn't have to worry about it...wear nerdy socks and pull them off before they get higher. You can wear repallants too(pangea has vegan versions if I remember correctly)...anyway who wants to go outside in Texas anyway after Bush destroyed the air I think I'd be a mall rat if I lived in Texas...no offense but lime disease is a minor threat compared to all that air and crap runoff from all the cattle/pig and chicken farms. Anyway its just gonna happen...in Hawaii people tent their houses for termites every 10 years but what's the point...all your doing is giving your house a 2week break...then they're back and ready to eat more. Unless your willing to spray a 10 mile radius around your house every year your kinda stuck!

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uh, you've obviously never experienced a full on tick/flea infestation...socks help not! Especially with fleas. Buckwheat is allergic to fleas, so even one bite makes him lose most of his hair and weight. Collars don't help, nor any other treatment. They kill the parasites after the fact. He's right now in recovery from a bite and we haven't even seen any fleas this season, but obviously they're out there. Ticks also carry some crazy diseases for dogs. Again concerning Buckwheat...

Last year we went on vacation and a friend watched the house and animals, when we returned it looked like someone had been shot on our front porch...blood everywhere...turns out Buckwheat climbed (yes, climbed not jumped) our chain link fence and got a minor puncture wound on his chest, it would not coagulate, just kept bleeding since the night before. We quickly took him to the vet and after blood tests it revealed he had got some disease from a tick that prevented blood clotting as well as caused brain damage and possible blindness. It was pretty bad. Thety had to mop all the blood up in the treatment room. I can't believe he's still alive...he was treated and all is well now...poor buddy, he's a healthy 90 pounds now, but between the flea and tick bites he was down to 65 pounds! Part of the reason he might be so big is they treat his allergies with steroid shots. 90 pounds of muscle.

 

As far as lyme disease being a minor inconvenience, you might want to reconsider that...here's how I found out about my friend having it...shortly after we met ( she and her boyfriend were riding their bikes from Ca. to Florida-a great story about how small the world is, but later on that) anyways, shortly after we met she found a tick on her and went nuts! She freaked out pulled it off and proceeded to burn it while yelling "Die, die you little f**ker!" I was like jeez, take it easy, and then jokingly I said, are you afraid of lyme disease or something. Aaron, her boyfriend then told me that she had already got lyme disease and led to some pretty serious complications. I felt like a total sh*thead for teasing her. It was really quite serious as far as they were concerned.

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I know lime disease is terrible and not a minor inconvenience but the likelyhood of getting it isn't all that common...I have friends parents that have it and its terrible when the symptoms come about...but you just can't realistically get rid of ticks and flees. Anyway good high danier socks are pretty darn good at keeping ticks away...so it having good socks and tucking kakhis in them

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At the risk of being called a totally anti vegan mass murderer, I have an ethical question, and despite my tone it is a serious question...

I live in a part of Amarillo that is notorious for flea and tick infestations, no matter what preventative measures we take, it seems the only way to control the problem is spraying the yard. Every vet I've talked to has told me spraying the yard is the only solution. Is wrong that I may launch an all out attack on these blood sucking parasites? Not just for our animal friends' sake, but for our own.

I know my answer won't be popular with some, but imho opinion if it's a health or sanitation issue -- protect your family. Let me clarify, don't go out looking for trouble, but if it finds you - you have every right to act to protect all your family members and their health. For example - you stumble upon a lion -- if it leaves you alone, you leave it alone; however if it attacks - defend yourself.

 

As for the peanut butter cups - try mixing some peanut butter and vegan fudge icing together and eat when you get those cravings.

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Back to Nature Oreo style cookies are a great substite to...dip them in some peanut butter and you may never eat anything else ever again.

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The choices to this poll make no sense:

 

When they are 100% vegan (based on animal rights concept) and make mistakes without intent!

 

What is 100% vegan? And if there is such a thing isn't that the answer to your question? Wouldn't being anything less than 100% vegan therefor not be vegan?

 

 

Just the diet as much as possible is good enough to be vegan.

 

When is "as much as possible" equal to "good enough"?

 

Good points. I suppose the answers were worded this way because the vegans that are not a/r vegans, tend not to put as much effort into things like wearing leather, products not tested on animals, or being really strict if a dessert here or there contains animal products, etc. This is just what I have found from personal experience.

 

It isn't to judge, or to say who is better, but it is to point out what is actually "vegan" and what is not, since many people are claiming to be vegans, yet they are not.

 

The 100% means 100% of the time. Should have been more clear. Of course, if anyone points out there is technically no such thing due to tires, breathing/walking on insects, etc blah blah, then they are misunderstanding the term vegan as it is something based on intent and respect for animals, not the requirements or mistakes that we all must make in daily living.

 

It is an a/r term, and that is my entire point to this thread. People must remember that in order to call yourself vegan, you must understand it's inception and definition is based on a/r, therefore ensure you are following the path properly if you claim to be vegan.

 

One should not claim to be vegan, if they still wear animal products, purchase products tested on animals, support charities that test on animals (cancer/heart etc..), or say that they are vegan yet eat non-vegan desserts or if they are not at home, etc..etc.. Being vegan is a complete way of life, not just a diet.

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