Jesus back in 2007?

[michaelhobson]

Just another reason why Americans scare me!

 

 

Poll: Americans See Gloom, Doom in 2007

 

Dec 31, 7:12 AM (ET)

 

By DARLENE SUPERVILLE

 

WASHINGTON (AP) - Another terrorist attack, a warmer planet, death and destruction from a natural disaster. These are among Americans' grim predictions for the United States in 2007.

 

But on a brighter note, only a minority of people think the U.S. will go to war with Iran or North Korea over the countries' nuclear ambitions. An overwhelming majority thinks Congress will raise the federal minimum wage. A third sees hope for a cure to cancer.

 

These are among the findings of an Associated Press-AOL News poll that asked Americans to gaze into their crystal balls and contemplate what 2007 holds for the country.

 

Six in 10 people think the U.S. will be the victim of another terrorist attack next year, more than five years after the Sept. 11 assault on New York and Washington. An identical percentage think it is likely that bad guys will unleash a biological or nuclear weapon elsewhere in the world.

 

There is plenty of gloom to accompany all of that doom.

 

Seventy percent of Americans predict another major natural disaster within the United States and an equal percentage expect worsening global warming. Fewer than one-third of people, or 29 percent, think it is likely that the U.S. will withdraw its troops from Iraq.

 

Among other predictions for the U.S. in 2007:

 

_Slightly more than one-third, or 35 percent, of Americans predict the military draft will be reinstated.

 

_One in four, 25 percent, anticipates the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

The telephone poll of 1,000 adults was conducted Dec. 12-14 by Ipsos, an international polling firm. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus three percentage points.

 

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AP Manager of News Surveys Trevor Tompson, AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and AP writer Kasie Hunt contributed to this story.

[veganmomma]

Michael you live in Pittsburg. Are you a native born Amurican? If so, why do you dis' your own people? I here enough of this anti-American shite on www.veganfitness.net

[michaelhobson]

Michael you live in Pittsburg. Are you a native born Amurican? If so, why do you dis' your own people? I here enough of this anti-American shite on www.veganfitness.net

 

I don't really claim americans as "my own people". From the 25% that think jesus is returning in 2007, to the 50% of voters who voted for george bush, americans are a scary lot. But america is a big place, the other half of the population is pretty cool. The folks on veganfitness.net would do well to take note of that.

[Guest]

I don't really blame these people for being so stupid...after all most are raised that way

[andgbr]

that's not a american problem, it's international. it's global.

[Zack]

I have a hard time with the "finding a cure for cancer" deal. People need to realize that nutrition is the key to that, there is not going to be a miracle drug for it.

[Odidnetne]

I have a hard time with the "finding a cure for cancer" deal. People need to realize that nutrition is the key to that, there is not going to be a miracle drug for it.

 

So maybe the world'll go vegan in '07.

[Guest]

I think we can only minimize it since I think some people are bound to get cancer eventually...no matter how well they eat.

[jonathan]

Michael you live in Pittsburg. Are you a native born Amurican? If so, why do you dis' your own people? I here enough of this anti-American shite on www.veganfitness.net

 

You may be slightly confused as the definition of anti-american veganmomma. VF is primarily (determined by the percentage of members) a European board, and as hard as you may find it to believe, we are not all American ass-kissers like Tony Blair. We are just as critical of our own governments/cultures.

 

Back to the original topic - Michael, that is seriously fucking scary!

 

Jonathan

[Richard]

_One in four, 25 percent, anticipates the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

Hooyeah. I wonder if you were to try and place bet that Jesus was going to come next year, what the odds would be.

[veganmomma]

Michael you live in Pittsburg. Are you a native born Amurican? If so, why do you dis' your own people? I here enough of this anti-American shite on www.veganfitness.net

 

You may be slightly confused as the definition of anti-american veganmomma. VF is primarily (determined by the percentage of members) a European board, and as hard as you may find it to believe, we are not all American ass-kissers like Tony Blair. We are just as critical of our own governments/cultures.

 

Jonathan

Off topic one last time. I think people on VF are critical of their governments not their culture. I haven't read many criticisms/posts of European culture on VF. If there are any please post links to those threads.

[michaelhobson]

Off topic one last time. I think people on VF are critical of their governments not their culture. I haven't read many criticisms/posts of European culture on VF. If there are any please post links to those threads.

 

I'm not active enough on VF to quote threads right now, but there are many criticizing European culture. Those in England seem to complain most about rampant alcoholism and streets full of drunks every weekend night. Finland has been criticized as a backward, hunting, gun toting land of what we would call rednecks. There are more criticisms, but those are just a couple that come to mind.

[michaelhobson]

 

Back to the original topic - Michael, that is seriously fucking scary!

 

Jonathan

 

As always, a voice of reason in the darkness.

 

_One in four, 25 percent, anticipates the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

Hooyeah. I wonder if you were to try and place bet that Jesus was going to come next year, what the odds would be.

 

I'm "all-in" for jebus not showing up.

[Guest]

I think he'll show up but he won't do anything...he's just coming to visit and try the new beers that weren't around last time he was here.

[JW]

I think he'll show up but he won't do anything...he's just coming to visit and try the new beers that weren't around last time he was here.

 

classic as always veganpotter!

[Guest]

It wouldn't suprise me if he's been around on other occations too...like Mannon Rheume's first day changing in an NHL locker room, and maybe as one of the 5 people to show up to Expos games in order to keep them from tanking.

[Odidnetne]

We could always take him to Panda Veg.

 

"Jesus made me eat cooked food!"

[Zack]

It's very interesting to read about the Essene way of life. They were vegetarians, and claim jesus was a member. I have a hard time believing jesus would be a big meat eater. The baptists around here tell me "god put animals on the earth for us to eat them." Sad... I don't think jesus was anything like most christians want to believe.

 

http://www.essenespirit.com/jesus.html

 

I think Jesus was a pretty good guy!

 

Religion can teach some valuable things, but the followers, especially christians and muslims, really lose the meaning of what the religion is supposed to teach, in my opinion. For example, Southern Baptists follow Christianity and Jesus. Jesus was described as a compassionate person. Then just after learning their lessons of love and compassion, they degrade others and chow down on steak...

 

 

For the record, I'm not really a Christian, I guess i'm a bit of everything Buddhism, Daoism, Hinduism, Christianity, It all has valuable lessons, I just don't take it too literally..I hope a religious war doesn't get started in here...

[michaelhobson]

Jesus is just alright with me, jesus is just alright, oh yeah

Jesus is just alright with me, jesus is just alright

 

I dont care what they may say

I dont care what they may do

I dont care what they may say

Jesus is just alright, oh yeah

Jesus is just alright

 

Jesus is just alright with me, jesus is just alright, oh yeah

Jesus is just alright with me, jesus is just alright

 

I dont care what they may know

I dont care where they may go

I dont care what they may know

Jesus is just alright, oh yeah

 

Jesus, hes my friend; jesus, hes my friend

He took me by the hand; led me far from this land

Jesus, hes my friend

 

Jesus is just alright with me, jesus is just alright, oh yeah

Jesus is just alright with me, jesus is just alright

 

I dont care what they may say, I dont care what they may do

I dont care what they may say, jesus is just alright, oh yeah

[_raVen_]

It's very interesting to read about the Essene way of life.

Keep that curiosity It's a good thing

 

I think Jesus was a pretty good guy!

I think you're very cool for saying what you think

 

Religion can teach some valuable things, but the followers, especially christians and muslims, really lose the meaning of what the religion is supposed to teach, in my opinion. For example, Southern Baptists follow Christianity and Jesus. Jesus was described as a compassionate person. Then just after learning their lessons of love and compassion, they degrade others and chow down on steak...

 

Yes, and they do even worse stuff, unfortunately. But it's not all one group or another. The majority of "chickenhawks" in the U.S. government are Not Christian; they only used Christianity to lead the gullible (and used their figurehead, Bush).

And don't forget the Zionists who are also not very "compassionate." It's easy in today's propoganda to target "Christians" and Muslims because that's what the media wants you to see/read/hear. Who even cares about the Palestinians anymore (as if 'they' ever did)? There are lots of people suffering in this world.

 

For the record, I'm not really a Christian, I guess i'm a bit of everything Buddhism, Daoism, Hinduism, Christianity, It all has valuable lessons, I just don't take it too literally..I hope a religious war doesn't get started in here...

 

Well, whatever you do, don't ever be ashamed of what you think or believe in -- ever. It's very admirable to confront hatred with measured thoughts and opinions without spewing hatred back. And, it's one of the ugliest characteristics of humanity to be hateful. It'slso very unattractive to give in to them. If you feel the need to engage, don't back off your position; stand up (even if it's a lone) in the face of it -- now that's attractive in a person. Plus, you'll feel better about being true to yourself.

[Guest]

I think that Jesus was likely vegetarian but due to cultural and financial reasons more so than ethical ones. I don't see a society not minding organizing/forcing a 13yr old girl to marry a 35+ year old man as a society that cared about animals really.

[Zack]

I think that Jesus was likely vegetarian but due to cultural and financial reasons more so than ethical ones. I don't see a society not minding organizing/forcing a 13yr old girl to marry a 35+ year old man as a society that cared about animals really.

 

I agree, in fact, lentils were a staple food in those times I believe. I expect Jesus cared a little more than most people, remember he went into the temple to stop animal sacrifices. At least if I remember correctly. I was never too much into christianity. The history and lessons it can teach are good and that's an aspect that interests me, but christians are too ignorant for me.

[willpeavy]

I think he'll show up but he won't do anything...he's just coming to visit and try the new beers that weren't around last time he was here.

 

I heard he was coming back to test Wii and PS3 to see which is better

[offense74]

There's a big difference in being a christian in the US and in Sweden. In my view it's the construction of rules that don't apply to reality that is the problem, not the religion itself.

Having a faith in something bigger than yourself is in itself not a problem (might it be political (as in chase for utopia), religious or otherwise) but can be a good thing and one is not more rational for not having a faith. The structure of religion makes as impossible to prove as to counter-prove. It's in it's nature undecidable.

The problem arises when you deny the existance of dinosaurs.

Everybody have a subjective view of reality. Ther is also (probably) an objective view of it. When you encouter the objective reality by observing it in different ways and you find that it doesn't fit your subjective one two things can happen, either you update your subjective (variable) view or you try to change the objective (static) view. Hardliners, may they be political, philosophical, economist or religious tend to do the latter and this is where they are stupid and dangerous because they deny the facts of reality.

 

I believe in something and if someone asks I say I'm a christian but it doesn't mean I don't 'believe' in dinosaurs and global warming.

[michaelhobson]

There's a big difference in being a christian in the US and in Sweden. In my view it's the construction of rules that don't apply to reality that is the problem, not the religion itself.

 

There are also many different sects in the US, not all are wackos. I'ts just the crazy ones that get all the press coverage. I'd say the majority of Christians in the US are just average working people who go to church on Sunday morning.

 

Having a faith in something bigger than yourself is in itself not a problem

 

Perhaps not the direct problem, but it is a problem. "Faith" can be anything you want it to be and it can't be questioned because it is the "word of god". It's a very convenient excuse for doing all sorts of unimaginable things to other humans and animals. I would say the most frequent response I get to veganism in the US is "god gave us animals to eat". The bible is used to justify all manner of hate. In my opinion "faith" is extremely dangerous.

 

I believe in something and if someone asks I say I'm a christian but it doesn't mean I don't 'believe' in dinosaurs and global warming.

 

That's because you Offense are an intelligent and rational human. Like most things, Christianity is only dangerous when it falls in to the hands of ignorant people. The southern US just happens to have an overabundance of those people.