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I haven't weighed/measured myself for a long time: I would think I'm more like 13 stone (182 pounds), and more like 188cm now. I'm going to my parents next weekend - the only time I weigh myself

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If gorillas can get as big as they do without cooked food, then it should be possible for humans to do so too. This is disputed of course, as many say humans have evolved to be omniverous. I've spent time arguing with those people...

 

Humans have a generalized diet. Ie, NOT SPECIALIZED/specific. So really, we can survive (and thrive) on just about anything.

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Humans have a generalized diet. Ie, NOT SPECIALIZED/specific. So really, we can survive (and thrive) on just about anything.

 

opinion or fact? haha

 

i don't think thriving would be a good definition for that.. of course we can 'survive' in any kind of diet.. but not always 'thrive'.

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Yes I was eating pasta and spinach but we now know that raw fruit is all you need. Humans can survive on other substances but now that fruit is becoming more widely available we can live better and longer. It's only in recent years that standards have started to improve - after the World Wars, with rationing, people just got their calories from wherever they could. Now we can be more discerning.

 

It is more economical to get your calories from raw fruit ... cooking is a waste of energy.

 

[edit: yeah you can say that it's just the way things have evolved. I can't see things changing on a global scale; of course that doesn't mean one shouldn't do what one thinks is sustainable but I think it's important to weigh up all the evidence ...]

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Number 1: It's not fruit

Well that is enough for those of us who understand human digestion and natural hygiene.

 

Number 2: It doesn't taste good - just as a test one could grab a bag of raw spinach and eat the leaves one by one, then compare the experience with eating fresh, sweet, juicy fruit, bursting with life-giving enzymes, amino acids, vitamins and minerals which are rapidly absorbed by the human body.

 

Like Bigbwii, I'm just sharing my experience ...

 

Some more info here:

(From http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A11681912)

 

Spinach - The Truth

 

Eat your spinach, it's good for you!

 

How often has this been directed at a child who is listlessly pushing spinach around their dinner plate? Spinach seems to be undergoing something of an upsurge in popularity, thanks to the current trend for healthy eating. But is it really that good for us? This entry aims to uncover the truth behind that claim.

 

How Spinach Arrived on Our Dinner Tables

 

Never eat spinach just before going on the air.

— Dan Rather

 

Spinach (Spinacia oleracea) is thought to have originated in ancient Persia. In the 7th Century, it arrived in China as a gift from the King of Nepal. It was introduced to Europe between the 11th and 15th Centuries by the Moors, who brought it into Spain. This gave rise to spinach being referred to as 'the Spanish vegetable' in England. Spinach belongs to the plant family Chenopodiaceae.

 

There are two varieties of spinach — winter and summer — both of which grow well in temperate climates. Currently, The Netherlands and the United States of America are the largest commercial producers of this vegetable.

 

Interested in growing your own? Summer spinach is actually planted in late winter, but is in season from late spring until midsummer. It grows quickly and should be sown every two weeks from February until the end of March. If all goes well, the first crop will be ready after about nine weeks. The winter variety should be sown in August, and thinned out in autumn. The outer leaves will be ready to eat in early winter and as long as the weather remains mild, the crop will thrive.

 

Now for the Science

 

I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd eat it, and I just hate it.

— Clarence Darrow

 

Spinach is rich in vitamins and other nutrients.

 

Vitamins

 

* Vitamin A aids development and maintenance of skin, eyes and hair, as well as assisting the immune system.

 

* Vitamin B1 (thiamin/thiamine) is vital in keeping the nervous system functioning properly.

 

* Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) is essential for nerve development and production of energy.

 

* Vitamin B3 (niacin) creates enzymes which are important for cell metabolism and can be used in reducing blood cholesterol.

 

* Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) has a beneficial effect on the body's use of protein and carbohydrates and promotes healthy hair and skin.

 

* Vitamin C has many functions, probably the most important of which is supporting the immune system.

 

* Vitamin E protects cell membranes and DNA and prevents excessive oxidisation.

 

* Folate is a naturally-occuring B vitamin which is important for the reproduction of all body cells. The synthesised form is folic acid.

 

* Vitamin K aids blood clotting and helps the kidney function.

 

Minerals

 

* Manganese is important in the breakdown and absorption of amino acids and energy production, as well as being necessary for the body to metabolise Vitamins B1 and E.

 

* Magnesium is used in the development of bones and teeth, as well as the nervous system and muscle contraction. It is useful in the prevention of cardiovascular disease and lowering of high blood pressure.

 

* Iron is an essential component of oxygen-transporting proteins and the regulation of cell growth.

 

* Calcium— more than 99% of the body's calcium is contained in the bones and teeth. The remaining one percent is in fluids and is useful in the maintenance of the nervous system.

 

* Potassium is an electrolyte which regulates blood pressure and heart function.

 

* Copper is vital for bones, cartilage, brain tissue, the heart and other organs.

 

* Phosphorous aids calcium in strengthening bones.

 

* Zinc is found in every cell in the body. It activates enzymes and helps maintain the immune system, aids healing of wounds and maintains the sense of smell and taste, as well as being used in the production of DNA.

 

* Selenium— research has revealed a use for preventing several degenerative conditions such as cancer, cardiovascular and neurological diseases.

 

Other Nutrients

 

* Tryptophan— an essential amino acid.

 

* Fibre (aka roughage)— research suggests that a diet high in fibre can help prevent various disorders such as constipation, irritable bowel sydrome and haemorrhoids, as well as reducing blood cholesterol levels.

 

* Protein— essential for the healthy functioning of all living cells.

 

* Omega 3 fatty acids— claims have been made that they benefit healthy hearts and aid treatment of cardiovascular disease. Research is ongoing as to whether these claims can be supported or not. They are also essential for brain development in unborn and newborn babies.

 

Yes, but what does all that mean?

 

It means that spinach is packed full of things which are good for you — but is that enough? The reality is that although spinach has a lot going for it, the body cannot absorb all of the minerals in those quantities that are contained within the green leaves. Vitamins are a different matter, but since some of them can be destroyed during cooking, spinach is more nutritious when eaten raw. If you were to follow Popeye's example and eat the canned variety, it would not only have even less goodness but it would taste much worse, too.

 

Popeye the Sailor Man

 

Bluto: So you don't like spinach?

Popeye: I hates it.

 

So what about Popeye, then? During the 1930s Popeye, probably the world's most famous consumer of spinach, was indeed credited with a 33% increase in the consumption of spinach in the USA. These days the Popeye brand of spinach is one of the market leaders.

 

The mythical strength-giving properties of spinach are, however, mostly credited to a simple mistake concerning the iron content of the vegetable. In 1870, Dr E von Wolf published figures which were accepted until the 1930s, when they were rechecked. This revealed that a decimal point had been placed wrongly and that the real figure was only one tenth of Dr von Wolf's claim.

 

Despite this, spinach remains a very healthy foodstuff indeed and ongoing research seems to back this up. It is one of the most commonly listed foods among people who are resistant to cancer. Among others it can protect against cancer of the prostate, breast, stomach, colon, lung, skin and cervix. Indeed, consumers of spinach also gain protection against osteoporosis, heart disease and arthritis. Due to its high lutein content, spinach can also help stave off age-related eye defects.

 

Still not convinced?

 

In dentibus anticis frustrum magnum spiniciae habes.1

 

If the health benefits outlined above are not convincing, why not try some tasty spinach for yourself? After all, it was good enough for Catherine de Medici, who brought cooks from her native Florence to France after she married the King, in order that she could still eat her favourite spinach dishes. This is why many spinach dishes are still described as 'à la Florentine'.

 

A simple way to enjoy the summer variety is to eat it in a salad, partly or wholly substituting the lettuce. The stronger-tasting winter spinach can be layered in lasagne or other baked dishes, as an ingredient in risotto, chopped and mixed with cream or simply steamed.

 

If You Still Need a Reason Not to Eat It

 

One man's poison ivy is another man's spinach.

— George Ade

 

After several paragraphs waxing lyrical on how healthy spinach is, it might be surprising to know that although most foods can be allergenic, spinach is one of the foods most commonly held responsible for an allergic reaction.

 

Spinach is also classified in the United States as one of the 12 foods in which pesticide residues are most likely to be found. Organic spinach should not present this problem. Oxalates, which can aggravate kidney and gall bladder problems, are also found in spinach, so people with untreated problems in that area should avoid it. It is also worth noting that although spinach does contain calcium, the oxalates also interfere with the body's absorption of the mineral. For anyone taking calcium supplements, several hours should be allowed to elapse before tucking into a meal of spinach.

 

In addition to the oxalates, spinach also contains purines, which form uric acid and in turn can cause kidney stones and gout. Finally, there are also indications that further substances found in spinach, called goitrogens, could interfere with the function of the thyroid gland. Goitrogens — which impair the uptake of iodine, leading to hypothyroidism— may be rendered inactive by the cooking process, but this has not been established beyond doubt. This means that anyone with thyroid problems can also legitimately say no to spinach.

 

Nitrates are also commonly found in leafy vegetables, and spinach is no exception. They are found in higher doses in spinach grown in greenhouses and winter spinach generally contains more than the summer type. Spinach picked in the early evening has been shown to have lower levels of nitrates, which decrease once the sunlight has gone. In very high doses, nitrates can lead to blood circulation problems2. In chopped spinach, especially if it is stored in airtight bags or containers, the nitrates can break down to form nitrites. This can lead to methemoglobinemia, where the uptake of oxygen in the blood is adversely affected. In order to avoid these afflictions, spinach should not be reheated once cooked.

 

And Finally...

 

It would be a shame to end on a down note about spinach. So, for your delectation, a final word on spinach:

 

A real friend will tell you when you have spinach stuck in your teeth.3

 

1 You have a big piece of spinach in your front teeth.

2 The nitrates here are those which derive from manure. Other types of nitrates are given to heart patients to increase the flow of oxygenated blood.

3 Found on The Friendship Page.

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I always heard that oxalic acid and other things like that were only a cause for concern in cooked greens. I actually wouldn't mind eating spinach out of the bag I think it tastes good. That being said, i'm eating somewhere around 90% fruits by calorie.

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I've never had a problem combing anything at all. I doubt I would have a problem even if I mixed spinach with Soy Delicious.

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I was going to say, I have no problem eating raw spinach out of the bag, and many apes eat lots of leafy green vegetables too, so I can't understand why the digestion of it is so bad.

 

It's not.

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We should do a test. A forum member should go to Africa and leave an opened bag of spinach in the jungle. If a Gorilla refuses to eat it then so should we.

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We should do a test. A forum member should go to Africa and leave an opened bag of spinach in the jungle. If a Gorilla refuses to eat it then so should we.

 

I like that idea!

 

I want some fruitarians to explain what is so bad about vegetables in their own words, rather than just posting articles.

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Yeah. Anyone can diss twinkies and oreos but when it comes to the dark leafy greens you won't find much science behind the bad health implications. When it comes to cooked food the ball is still loose on the court but when it comes to the dark greens it has been a free kick, Beckham have killed it, the goalie went to the wrong corner, the wall standing in front collapsed and the ball is now stuck in the mud inside the goal.

You can't back up unhealthiness of greens with science. You just can't. Even Atkins gave this up.

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