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I saw a nutritionist today and it was the biggest waste of time ever. It lasted no less than 10 minutes and she told me everything I could have figured out on my own. The worst part was that she was an idiot and tried to persuade me away from veganism. She knew nothing about it. Told me that my diet was "extreme" haha. I actually showed her that she was wrong on one thing. She told me that you can only get vitamin b12 from meat. I then pointed out that you can simply get it from soymilk, which has it fortified right in there.

 

It upset me though. Killed some of my confidence in eating better.

 

I've only been vegan for a year and I'm really underweight. I did all the research on why veganism is really healthy and ethical when I first did it, but then I got lazy when I started researching what to eat. As a result, I'm completely unorganized and I eat the same crap all of the time.

 

She was trying to tell me that if you are a vegan you HAVE to take vitamins because it is not a healthy way of eating. I've read up on how full of garbage that is, but I don't have the facts on the tip of my tongue.

 

Anyone else want to help me out?

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To eat is nothing we really would have to learn from a book or a specialist.

Most of the times they only confuse us with something they call knowledge. But do they really have? I think they have just a collection of ideas, like we do too, more or less well sorted. And so all we can do is find out. What makes me feel good and what not.

I come from nature and so my food should come from nature, that is all I seem to understand. The B12 issue, ok, I take some pills, as they confused me at that point, too. Maybe one day someone finds a reason why I should not do that...

 

Food, besides water and air, is the important thing in your life. You have to enjoy it. How could it be the same old crap as you say? Only if you don´t care. And if you don´t, why do you complain? No reason. Suffer the same old crap until you understand what you really can enjoy. And then do it... no big deal.

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Brett, I am sorry to here about your experience. Do not let this discourage you. In the future if you decide to see another nutritionist call him/her first, find out what their credentials are before you see them and ask them questions about a vegan diet.

 

I saw a Clinical Nutrition Specialist R.D., M.A., C.D.E. at the University of Pennsylvania Diabetes Center who is very knowledgeable of the research about the benefits of a vegan diet and people with diabetes.

 

For vegan nutritional info visit

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/vegan.htm

Simply Vegan by Debra Wasserman http://www.vrg.org/catalog/simplyvegan.htm

 

POWER TO THE VEGAN!

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Most are complete morons. Multis are pretty worthless for pretty much anyone. As for the weight thing don't worry. If you train to get bigger you will but at the same time if you eat healthy and your really thin...there's nothing wrong with that either. Study after study has shown that within a species...the smallest animal/person tends to live longer than the larger and even the average sized animal/person.

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Brett, do you want to get big?

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And eat 6-8 small meals/day. Eat your arse off!

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i gained 40 lbs of muscle in 2 months when i first went vegan. i used to no multivitamins and no protein supplements. i just ate like crazy and lifted heavy. the trick is to take in a lot of calories to gain weight.

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i gained 40 lbs of muscle in 2 months when i first went vegan.
5 pounds of muscle a week for 2 months? Dude, I don't doubt that you put on 40lbs of weight in 2 months, however what was your BF% during that time and do you have any progress photos?

 

My opinion probably doesn't mean crap to you, however I don't believe you.

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Did you see a nutritionist or a registered dietician? There is a HUGE difference. ANYONE can call themself a nutritionist, it's an utterly meaningless term. An RD may use the term to help describe their work, because some people don't recognize RD. However, RD's have a minimum of a B.S. in dietetics, an internship involving supervised work in 4 areas of dietetics, and has pass the ADA's national RD examined. They may or may not also be licensed within the state (OR requires licensing). Anyway- of course, as with any profession, there are professionals of varying competency and professionalism. However, as someone with only 6 weeks remaining until I receive my own B.S Nutrition, dietetics (Oregon State University, go Beavs) I assure you that we get intensive study over all aspects of food and digestion. Furthermore, the amount of misinformation on this website alone, not to mention lay "knowledge" passed around in many other mediums, is utterly astonishing. This is one reason I rarely post anymore, because it is so very frustrating to read half-truths, assumptions, and sometimes blatantly wrong statements that are accepted as truth, posted by people without credentials or legitimate sources.

Anyway- I apologize for the rant, but please don't condemn an entire profession based on one experience. You may find an RD more open minded and willing to work with your lifestyle who can be of help to you.

 

*Edited to sound less snobby

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I dont know if we have any experts on the forum. Experience yeah, but I'm not aware of any credentials aside from yours meg.
True, I just edited to try and sound less pretentious. There is tons of experience on this forum in a wide array of subjects, I just get frustrated because the science doesn't back a lot of it up, when it comes to nutrition.
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Did you see a nutritionist or a registered dietician? There is a HUGE difference.
veggymeggy, are you asking me or Brett?

Brett. You listed the credentials of the person you saw, and it sounds like you had a far more positive experience - which is what it should be when you see someone with those credentials

Of course, as I mentioned, it is possible to see an RD and not be satisfied - Just like you'd see a different doctor if he or she made treatment recommendations you don't like, you may have to see a different RD if the first one you come across can't work with your dietary standards.

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I dont know if we have any experts on the forum. Experience yeah, but I'm not aware of any credentials aside from yours meg.
True, I just edited to try and sound less pretentious. There is tons of experience on this forum in a wide array of subjects, I just get frustrated because the science doesn't back a lot of it up, when it comes to nutrition.

I agree with you on that. However:

There are in my experience a few things that are known, and have been known for quite a while, when it comes to nutrition.

When comparing whole-foods, plant-based diet to other diets it's to my understanding that the research is pretty strong towards the plant-diet, when it comes to health. We don't know exactly why though. It might be the phytonutrients, it might be the fibre, the smaller amount of fat (or saturated fat) or something else or a combination.

So, do dieticians know about this not so secret secret? If so why isn't it seen in the dietary guidelines delivered by R.D's, M.D's and PhD's to the public? Why is it when my friends at work come back from the R.D. and tell me that they should eat more fish and less carrots to ease the diabetes? People who live on unrefined plants don't get diabetes2 to the extents that meat eating people do. It's not the plants that's the problem.

The reason why I'm pissed off is because I believe that they (the R.D's) are actually contributing to the early, slow and painful death of the poor suckers who gets caught in their net. It's just a murderer with a fancy title. Since they have this fancy title people listen to their advise about low-fat cheese and stake and ignore my rants about spinach.

 

I know there are R.D's who realise that one should eat more unrefined plants. But for every such R.D. there will be 5 dairy pimps.

 

It's noting personal, I like you and your posts, it's just frustrating to hear people come back from the R.D. with this message of early death.

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i gained 40 lbs of muscle in 2 months when i first went vegan.
5 pounds of muscle a week for 2 months? Dude, I don't doubt that you put on 40lbs of weight in 2 months, however what was your BF% during that time and do you have any progress photos?

 

My opinion probably doesn't mean crap to you, however I don't believe you.

 

body fat was like 2%.

 

its when i first went vegan. i put pics up on this site and veganfitness.net

when i first joined. thats how i won the back attack contest on this site and overall athlete. its cause i gained an amazing amount of muscle in no time.

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I actually trust common sense more than degrees. Which is why I trust Brendan Brazier(who I believe never went to college) as to Dr. Atkins who is an "expert" in nutrition. Just look at common sense and see who is succeeding on which diet and judge that as healthy and try it.

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I just checkout your before and after photos on VF. Very impressive dude. Has your love life improved?

 

haha yes is has.

Cool!

 

i see you live in philly. im moving there in the next month and half.

 

hoping to bulk up since im back to being skinny, (i couldnt afford to eat proper) . perhaps you and i could lift together or something.

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