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Thanks! My physique in these pics

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was the result of 11 months (Jan to Nov 2005) intensive weight-lifting with a former commonwealth weightlifter and rowing training with an Oxford college rowing squad. From my birth in Sep 1984 to Dec 1991 I was omnivorous, from Dec 1991 to Dec 2000 I excluded meat but included fish, from Dec 2000 I was fully meat-free but include eggs and dairy, then just before I joined this forum in October 2005 I excluded all animal products.

Leading up to these pics

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I still included a lot of cooked food (pasta mainly).

And these pics taken in Sep 2007

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reflect my body and mind after three months on a raw fruitarian diet and increasingly raw prior to that. From Sep 2007 to June 2008 I consumed mainly raw juice and some whole fruit and since June 2008 my diet has been vegan, back on cooked foods and not training as much.

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...supplements:

Jan - Oct 2005

MaxiMuscle Viper, Promax, Progain, Cyclone; vitamin B-complex liquid (with 120000% RDA B12 per 1ml) made by Holland&Barrett, various multivitamin tablets

Oct 2005 - Sep 2006

Supplement-free apart from vitamin-enriched fruit juices. During that time I was on my 3rd year abroad of my 4-year degree course in French and German and was training regularly.

Back in Oxford in Sep 2006 I picked up a copy of Flex magazine and am convinced that I was brain-washed as I then started buying supplements ... which I couldn't actually afford - and buying large amounts of food which I couldn't afford. So that led to the money-stress I mentioned.

The supplements I took leading up to being the biggest I've ever beeen in January 2007

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(lots of heavy deadlifting)

included:

Creatine ethyl ester

BSN Nitrix

BSN NO Explode

6-OXO

and various testosterone boosters

to the point where I found myself searching for anabolic steroids on the web.

But in summer 2007 my diet was really clean - fruitarian - and I was training regularly again. After Sep 2007 I didn't find time to train in the gym regularly but kept up with yoga and bodyweight exercises. My gym training since Sep 2007 hasn't been as consistent ...

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Gorilla I know you going raw because it's healthy. Are you doing this plan to maintain where you are at or hoping to grow muscle or lose fat? Also, how did you figure out what you needed to eat based on your weight eating raw? Protein, Carbs and Fat? Does your body need different amounts than what a normal bodybuilding diet consists of?

Thanks

Khayil

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Gorilla I know you going raw because it's healthy. Are you doing this plan to maintain where you are at or hoping to grow muscle or lose fat? Also, how did you figure out what you needed to eat based on your weight eating raw? Protein, Carbs and Fat? Does your body need different amounts than what a normal bodybuilding diet consists of?

Thanks

Khayil

 

1) Gorilla I know you going raw because it's healthy.

2) Are you doing this plan to maintain where you are at or hoping to grow muscle or lose fat?

3) Also, how did you figure out what you needed to eat based on your weight eating raw?

4) Protein, Carbs and Fat?

5) Is your body need different amounts than what a normal bodybuilding diet consists of?

Thanks

Khayil

 

interesting questions.

1) yes - I want to be healthy. Natural Hygiene is my ultimate goal, i.e. a clean and clear digestive system, alkalised bloodstream, a diet packed with natural raw fruit enzymes and anti-oxidants, high water content - fully hydrated, toxins eliminated, free radicals combatted through anti-oxidants, high vitamin C content.

2) to have around 8-10% body fat, i.e. abdominal and oblique muscles clearly visible, as this is aesthetically pleasing obviously - but mainly as I feeel healthy, vibrant and fully energised at this percentage - I value strength over size so I'm not looking to build mass I just want to be lean - 28-30'' waistline

3) I'm always going to aim for 1000 [edit: should be at least 2000 calories even if resting and juice fasting - then take in extra calories on top of the 2000 the more physical exercise you do, and I want to be doing plenty of exercise every day] to 3000 calories per day depending on how many calories I burn

4) My nutritional day starts with light, sweet fruits and gradually gets denser and less sweet so I'll start with- freshly squeezed orange (or clementine etc.) juice, then move onto pineapple, apple, nectarines, peaches, plums, mango, ripe bananas, then avocados, tomatoes, peppers. After exercising it's fresh coconut water, fresh dates, raw sun-dried raisins and apricots, totally raw fresh walnuts, cashews and almonds plus berries - blueberries etc.. So the carbs are coming from the fructose, the protein is coming from the amino acids, and the fats are mainly coming from the avocados and the nuts.

5) No different no - same macronutrients and micronutrients needed.

 

I am also using some medication and supplements at the moment, including:

- Citalopram 40 mg

- Olanzapine 5 mg - I was on 10 mg for a while and put on some body fat, hoping to cut to 2.5mg in April and lose that body fat [*]

- liquid Vitamin B-Complex with B12

 

[* it worked - got definition back]

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Hey Gorilla. I am thinking about going the raw fruit way. I currently do alot of veg protein shakes and tofu. I don't feel great and can not drop my weight on that diet. The last time I was able to drop weight was when I went fruit and veg only. So I want to try that again. I am a figure competitor so I want to know if you have lost muscle or have trouble building muscle as a result of a fruit diet. Also how is your energy and do you have to do alot of cardio on this diet plan to drop body fat? Any feedback would be appreciated.

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Hey Gorilla. I am thinking about going the raw fruit way. I currently do alot of veg protein shakes and tofu. I don't feel great and can not drop my weight on that diet. The last time I was able to drop weight was when I went fruit and veg only. So I want to try that again. I am a figure competitor so I want to know if you have lost muscle or have trouble building muscle as a result of a fruit diet. Also how is your energy and do you have to do alot of cardio on this diet plan to drop body fat? Any feedback would be appreciated.

 

Hi Paige. I'm no expert. I'm still figuring stuff out. I still need to train harder and more frequently, go heavier and get stronger. My goal is to maintain a lean physique, to maintain an optimal level of strength and fitness, and to live as long as possible, as healthy as possible. I believe a fruit and veg only diet is the best way of achieving this.

Just adjust quantities depending on how many calories you're burning - I've dropped my bodyfat level mainly through diet and lifting weights - not cardio.

I'm still figuring out whether supplements are really needed - B12, creatine etc. I've gone through cycles of supplementing. I do believe that if you respect your liver, you will feel healthier - your liver assists in filtering toxins and metabolising fats and essential fatty acids so if your liver is healthy you're going to feel better. I do worry that multivitamin/minerals, B12 and creatine supplements may not be the best thing for optimal liver performance, which is why I've always tended to cycle them.

My basic principle is intuition, i.e. getting a feel for what my body needs, whether it be fresh air, hydration, sunlight, light foods such as citrus fruits - lemons, oranges, limes, clementines - or heavier fruits such as avocadoes and tomatoes.

The foods I've just mentioned - the citrus, avocadoes, tomatoes, are what I tend to eat most days – you could say they’re my staples. I find them easy to digest and they give me energy. I always work out on an empty stomach, and drink plain water throughout my workout (anything up to 3 hours of exercise in one session – 1 hour cardio, 2 hours resistance, aiming for 3-4 sessions a week, anything up to 3 litres of water per session), then I have my citrus, and later in the day I have my avocado/tomato salad.

I’m still figuring out the best way of including other foods, and timing when I’m going to eat them - I guess what I’m saying is that mono-dieting is easiest on your digestive system. Mangos, bananas, nectarines, peaches, papaya, melon, white/red/black grapes, plums ... raw walnuts/almonds, blueberries ... raisins

These are the types of “meals” I tend to have – small meals – snacks if you like, rather than the “traditional” 3 meals a day.

I have always found that consuming healthy fats helps me to keep my body fat percentage at a healthy level – definition in abs, obliques - I find almonds really good - whole foods, unprocessed, unrefined - I find the fibre in foods very important for staying lean.

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Thanks for all of the great direction. I am set on returning to a fruit and veggie diet but I am going to use my own judgement on how much is raw/cooked, etc. I think I am still good with some steamed brocolli and asparagus in my evening salad. I also like a little flax seed oil in my diet, I seem to need it for joints due to all of my heavy lifting. I have noticed all of this raw fruit is tough on my stomach. I can't get large amounts down at one time and really need to just "munch" through out my day. I have been light headed on this program and need to have that continually feeding. I might post again if I have additional questions. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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So with all this fresh food available, it does seem that supplementation is in the main unnecessary and potentially harmful.

 

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement):

 

"Criticisms of vitamin supplementation

 

A 2007 study found that regular supplementation with vitamin E, beta carotene and vitamin A increased mortality by four, seven and sixteen percent respectively.[11]

 

The same study also suggested that vitamin C and selenium had no effect, positive or negative on longevity."

 

It seems there is still a lot of research needed into this area.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_nutrient

 

Wow I'd forgotten about this - I've just re-read this whole thread. I want to live as long as possible so these vitamin supplements aren't going to feature in my diet if that's the case.

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