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Spike TV is holding a tribute to Kung Fu / Martial arts movies and I can't help but laugh at the nationalism in most of the films. Especially the anti -Japanese sentiment in "Fists of Fury" - "No dogs or Chinese allowed"...it really portrays the Japanese as vile bastards! This is understandable-much like our cold war films like Rocky IV and others...(Here's some funny info...in Rambo IV the "good guys" are the noble Mujahadeen...fighting the "evil" Russians...FYI the Mujahadeen were the predecessors to al-qaeda, and the the Russians invaded Afghanistan to stop Islamis fundamentalism...my how times have changed!) Notice how westerners are often portrayed in these kung fu movies...giant men with almost white hair and extremely blue eyes...(as in the Jet Li film about the Chinese agent that goes to Paris-I forget the name)I just find it kind of interesting noticing the subtleties. Anyone know anything about the Boxer Uprising of 1900? There is an awesome and very respected book on the subject called "The Origins of the Boxer Uprising" by Joseph W. Esherick...really good stuff! Many think that it was a rebellion...Nope...it was a nationalist movement that sought to oust Europeans and especially Christian churches from China. The Emperess Dowager initially tried to supress it to appease western powers, but in the end she supported it...really, really good stuff, but then I'm a hardcore History nerd!

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Come on! The Boxer Uprising...peasants across China...mostly the Shandong Province...uniting to learn martial arts ( Eurpeans called them boxers because thats the closest thing they had to the various styles of Kung fu the "boxers" used) for the purpose of ousting the barbarian outsiders...talk about a fighting force of extra ordinary magnitude! And isn't that what we are really trying to do...create a fighting force of extra ordinary magnitude?! Not all fighting forces rely on their fists...oh well, at this point I'm babbling...

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Actually I've seen things like this in the Philippines. Its rare because most Filipinos really love Americans but some are still angry with what they left after the early 80s when they didn't need them as a base for Vietnam. Anyway I've seen signs at stores that say no Americans. Sure maybe this isn't martial arts related but it is cultural and I could imagine there are things like this in Thailand and Vietnam.

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I actually got a copy of Mao's Little Red Book from Filipino Communists here in the States...we got along fine...but they did not necessaerily like the US...I hadn't realized they still were fighting the fight! Most people aren't aware that there is a large Hawaiian nationalist movement...but then most people don't know Hawaii was taken at gun point...literally...which brings me back to martial arts and Mr. B. J . Penn...from what I gather, he supports the Hawaiian Nationalist cause...check out his shirts calling for Hawaiian Unity, Sovreignty, etc...he too appears to be building a fighting force of extra ordinary magnitude!

 

(Incidently...my wife has cousins that are 1/2 Filipino...they seem to like the US ... )

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Thing is Hawaiians were taken by gunpoint but its the same situation with a lot of anarchists in the US being privileged. Hawaiians(by blood) don't need to work so few of them do work. They have taken advantage of the system and give nothing back(I don't blame them) but none of their efforts will take them anywhere. A lot of the things they want are terrible for society. Most want Cock Fighting AOKed and therefore its not really enforced, they want drugs legalized but specifically they mean meth and not Pot. A lot of Hawaiians are very very hostile to people that aren't brown like me. Even though I'm just as American as the whites that took the land from them. Anyway this is one of the few things that make Hawaii a mess. Oh...oddly enough you'd think they'd want to keep their own land clean but natives are the worst polluters in the state. Hawaiian communities are by far dirtier than the mixed communities. Its quite obvious when you run into one.

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Wow...some of that borders on racism..."those filthy Hawaiins...why can't they be clean like us white folks"...as far as the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement..its been around LONG before meth..like since 1898 when American pineapple growers staged the coup...and many of their concerns are over militarism and ecology...not just cock fighting and legalization of meth...and I can understand hating occupational forces, which is how the US has been viewed by many...Jeez, why can't these little brown nations accept our superior white morality? I study Native Americans (the other brown people)- I'm sure you think they are quite savage, dirty and inferior as well...

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Actually Filipinos(me), Japanese and anyone else not white is seen as OK even if they are on vacation but a white person born in Hawaii will not be accepted. I've lived there for years without people being against me but people have said things to my Dad, my brother in law and my friends. Its terrible. Its not their fault. I'm a brown person too and I'm not against brown people I just don't like where these things have been taken to. Everything is bad there. You should see the school system. My brother in law taught there and half of the parents didn't come to the PTA meetings and the half that did were on METH...makes you wonder what was wrong with the others. Also this was in KONA where most of his students were native.

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Meth and alcoholism are huge problems in Native communities...but primarily native communites that have been conquered...so is the problem with the natives or the circumstances (imperialism and racism-which fuels imperialism) that help define the community? Forced subjugation leads to the problems of addiction because it is an easy escape...and often encouraged by the conquerors...whether you realize it or not, your previous comments stink of racist undertones...even if you are 1/2 brown... Hitler was 1/4 Jewish...by his own laws he should have been exterminated!

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I know those things are in me and it may be wrong but its still the case. No excuses is my view. You can almost say Americans are raised to be imperialists so Americans aren't really doing anything wrong but no thats not right. Sure they may be put in situations that "lead" them to do meth but that doesn't mean their children need to suffer from it and they do. Sometimes people need to take some responsibility and a lot of people never do.

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Americans are also raised on MEAT and potatoes...or as ther stickers say...Red, White and Beef...and just as we are to domineer the animal kingdom and take their lives because we enjoy the taste of their flesh, so can we take the resources of any nation we see fit...and if they happen to be brown, that's even better...because "they" are not like "us"..."we" are better...our superior morality is justification for our immoral acts...and when the little brown people have characteristics like cock fighting and meth addiction, that just makes us feel that much better about ourselves and helps justify our actions!

Animals are vile , dirty little creatures...and monkeys, when given the opportunity will dose themselves with cocaine until they have a heart attack...so by your logic animal testing and meat eating are A.O.K!

Or is veganism another way to assert your superiority?

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Yes it seems so however veganism takes care of everyone however who am I to think that people should do something for the good of themselves. They are seen as downtrodden and therefore they should keep doing meth, keep eating cheetos and keep having babies that will do the same without ever thinking of anyone else. Hawaiians aren't stupid. They have the highest literacy rate in the nation but it seems after that they don't take advantage of anything...other than the fact that they don't need to work.

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Those lazy damn Hawaiians...yes I know...in Texas they are called Mexicans...people always talk about how lazy they are...mostly klansmen and other white supremacy groups...why can't they be hard working like us white folks?! Incidently, do you work or have trust fund?

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The term lazy Mexicans is just ignorance since most of them(nearly all) work much harder than Americans. However Hawaiians are lazy. As for me I don't have a trust fund but I am making do.

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But you know that the "lazy" Mexicans also want to legalize cock fighting AND dog fighting...and they are responsible for all the Marijuana and cocaine in Texas...much like your description of Hawaiians...plus they slaughter pigs in their front yards for menudo ...but you contend that they are not lazy...I agree...but then we have the Indians...lazy, drunken, unemployed, living off casino royalties...I'm sure you find them as repulsive as the Hawaiians. What you say about the native Hawaiians, having lived there, is exactly what others say about natives in their part of the world...but you contend they are wrong, but you are right...but don't you see you are EXACTLY the same...your closeness has blinded you to your own racism...and benevolent racism is just as bad...who are you to save them from themselves?

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Hawaiians are lazy. .

Any other generalizations you'd like to make?

Are blacks "sneaky"?

Are Jews "greedy"?

Are Irish "drunkards"?

Are Arabs "blood thirsty"?

Please enlighten us with your observations so that the rest of us won't have to take the time to get to know these people as individuals....

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While the previous remarks were not "blatant" racism..."benevelent" racism is just as damaging...President McKinnely opted to invade the Philippines because "God" had told him he should conquer them to bring Christianity and civilization to the inferior brown people there...apparently McKinnely and God were unaware that the Filipinos had been Christianized by their previous Spanish conquerors...

ANY characterization of a people (good or bad-hence

Koreans are hard workers=racism) is still racism...period.

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For the record...those who seek Hawaiian sovreignty want...

-The support of public education

-The betterment of the conditions of native Hawaiians as defined in the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act of 1920

-The development of farm and home ownership

-The making of public improvements

-The provision of lands for public use

-The restoration of Native historical sites

 

Certain groups also want peaceful removal of military bases and environmental damages caused by said bases (like Pearl Harbor)remedied...

Nowhere, absolutely no where have I seen as their motivation the legalization of cock fighting or the legalization of meth...as far as pollution...what I have seen in environmental reports is that the majority of the pollution is from big industry...presumably (but I am not 100% sure) from non-native industries...and most Sovreignty orgs site military industrial waste...

No doubt there are those who want legalization of cock fighting/meth...but that is not the basis of the movement...many site the problems of addiction, dependency as a reason for wanting sovreignty...to address these problems...but on their own terms, not the invaders...

It is a shame some have turned to drugs, dependency on hand outs, hate, etc...but lets not make this about "lazy Hawaiians"...the problem is so much more complex...as are most of the worlds problems...

I wonder what BJ Penn's thoughts on the subject are...

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Any other generalizations you'd like to make?

Are blacks "sneaky"?

Are Jews "greedy"?

Are Irish "drunkards"?

Are Arabs "blood thirsty"?

Please enlighten us with your observations so that the rest of us won't have to take the time to get to know these people as individuals....

 

No to all those other than Hawaiians. Sorry I'm biased but I've also lived there and I know its a problem that lots of Hawaiians recognize. So I'm not alone. Its something people have to admit. Just look at what Bill Cosby is doing in the black community. He's being honest and getting lots of flack for it but he is by no means anti black. Despite the fact that he makes generalizations about such a large number of people. But after all the uproar dies down people notice he's making sense.

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Bill Cosby has never said Black people are lazy...he has said that there are those within the community that are doing a great dis-service to the others...there is a difference...minor...but it makes all the difference!

I have lived in Texas...and I have heard your exact arguments used against Mexicans...(lazy, want legalized cock fights, drugs, etc...and now in Wyoming I hear it used against the Arapaho and Shoshone. NOw you know when you hear that about Mexicans, "indians" or anyone else that it is BS...but you seem to fail to make that judgement when it hits close to you...do you see my point?

You claim that Native Hawaiians are the biggest polluters...which is simply untrue...the reports I have seen (which have nothing to do with sovreignty-just environmental reports) show that industry is the biggest polluter...and many site the military bases...

My dad, a biggot, also tries to tell me the same about Mexicans and blacks in Atlanta...he says, "You don't understand because you don't live here"....but I do understand...

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I never said he said black people were lazy...you keep putting words into my mouth. I'm making a judgment about one group of people that I have much more experience with than you do. As for pollution I've lived there and I know what I've seen. Military pollution is a different ballgame and you can't really see it. Simply go to Hawaii and go to Hawaiian communities. Those are the only places in all the islands where you'll find soda cans, bags of potato chips and other rubbish on the street. You won't see that anywhere else in Hawaii. They also drive the dirtiest cars in the city because they don't have to meet the environmental restrictions for pollution that others due because they lobbied against it.

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