Couture547 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 What's the deal with this guy? I've seen recent pics of him and really looks bad. Looks way over weight and looks like he has high blood preasure or some thing. It kinda makes me not really trust his supplement. How could a so called expert be in such bad shape and look so bad? Do you guys know any thing about his powder? and if it's any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 He's basically a fraud from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 That's what i was thinking. Is his Raw Power supplement a scam? What did you hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I don't know anything about the guy, it's just what has been said on this board and others. I'd like to see those recent pics though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 What about David Wolfe? There best friend's and started the company together? Is he a scam also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Go to his web site raw power. com there are a couple on there of him. Those aren't even the really bad ones i've seen. I forgot where i saw the other's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganEssentials Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I never saw this thread until now... From what I have been able to gather, Stephen Arlin and the other guy had some sort of falling out because Arlin (now calling himself "Thor Bazler" ) has taken the Raw Power protein from under the old company and put it under his new brand, Bazler Enterprises. They were really, really weird about our making the change of the name on our site as soon as we got the new shipment in stock a few months ago. There was a lot of talk about how they "were no longer affiliated in any way" with the old company. Also, as taken from the Raw Power site: "Bazler Enterprises conducts business in various genres, from organic foods and nutritional supplements (their trademarked Raw Power® brand) to real estate investing to music production." Looks like it's not just about raw products for him any longer. I personally think it's an interesting protein blend and don't think it to be a fraud in any way, but if 'ol Thor is still using the claims of being fit and strong like he used to....well....that's pretty silly considering the pics I saw a while ago as well. I don't knock the guy if he's just out to put out a unique protein supplement, but beyond that, I can't say much else other than that I trust the product, but the man behind it seems to be a very strange character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 Are you the owner of VE? If so i talked on the phone recently. Arlin now Bazler really does look bad and i really don't know if i should trust his product. There is no way a raw foodist could look like that. Even more so a raw foodist who is claiming to be a fitness expert. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganEssentials Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I am one of the owners of VE - are you the person who ordered the large amount of Vitamineral Green recently? If so, it is nice to hear from you again! From what I can see on the Bazler site, it doesn't look like he's making the same claims about his dedicated raw foodism - I have the feeling that he may still eat partially raw, but unless he's eating a lb. of nuts per day, there's little else to explain the large weight gain over the past few years (and not in the way most people would hope to acheive...) Again, I don't distrust his product, but as for the man himself, if he makes any future claims about his prowess I'd be pretty skeptical about them. I'm guessing that he, like many others, promotes a product that is not part of the lifestyle that he chooses to partake in as he once did. More business than personal as of now, I'd assume, based on his appearance. We'll see in time if he promotes his old claims or that he's still 100% raw like he used to, but now I just assume he's out to make a living selling a raw product and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yes i am the one that ordered all the VMG. Thor is currently re writing the Raw Power book which he says is much better the the pervious version. I don't see how someone could get that fat on raw foods. I mean i have a really slow metabalism and i am normally like 170 and when i first found out about eating raw i was all about getting as much Calories and Protein as Possible and i must have eaten at least a pound of Almonts a day not to mention all the other seeds and nuts. I lost weight doing that in a short time going down to 160 in a short period, and i wasn't exercing at all. So i don't know what the deal is with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 I wonder what the fall out is out about David Wolfe? I hope David isn't a scam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganEssentials Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Can't say that I've heard anything about the reason for the falling out - just that they had some personal issue that caused a rift and that was it. If I hear anything more I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeJoe Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 you might be referring to this picture (Thor's the one on the right, and I've seen worse pictures of him, just can't remember where...): http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050614/images/raw280.jpg I too wondered if he was a scam after buying his protein product and later seeing his picture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 I wonder if he is really as strong as he claims. HE said he can bench something like 315 like 20 times. If so that is really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 For the record, I actually gained weight the month I was %100 raw. Of course, that might be because I made a lot of recipes from raw "cookbooks" which tend to be heavy in nuts. So, you CAN get heavy as a raw foodist. (I am so sure that there is someone out there who will blame the weight gain on "detoxing" - please save your time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 DV you have to lose weight to detox, gaining weight is retoxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I wonder if he is really as strong as he claims. HE said he can bench something like 315 like 20 times. If so that is really good Its possible...I could do 315 close to ten times at my peak when I was 19 and a friend of mine(22) can do more than 30 reps with 315. However he's so crazy I can't really take him seriously. His workouts are insane and he wouldn't look like that if he actually did them. Anyhow he's fat and it is reasonable for someone like him to do that but I don't believe he can...maybe it was on a smith machine or something...or he could have had a stupid bench press shirt on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 I wonder if he is really as strong as he claims. HE said he can bench something like 315 like 20 times. If so that is really good Its possible...I could do 315 close to ten times at my peak when I was 19 and a friend of mine(22) can do more than 30 reps with 315. However he's so crazy I can't really take him seriously. His workouts are insane and he wouldn't look like that if he actually did them. Anyhow he's fat and it is reasonable for someone like him to do that but I don't believe he can...maybe it was on a smith machine or something...or he could have had a stupid bench press shirt on. That's pretty crazy you could do that much becasue the strongest steroided players in the NFL can only do 225 like 45 times. That means your friend was way stronger than them. Was he Juicing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganEssentials Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 That's pretty crazy you could do that much becasue the strongest steroided players in the NFL can only do 225 like 45 times. That means your friend was way stronger than them. Being able to do a weight a lot of times is often more a case of specialized muscular endurance than overall strengtgh. For some reason, football tends to get people to specialize in the bench even though it's not a great movement for applying to any sport. Fortunately, a lot of modern strength trainers are trying to get away from that since the bench is really not a very effective movement for football (how many times in a play will you be shoving someone off your chest? Certainly not 40 times...), and being able to bench X number of lbs. for high reps really has no application on the field. I've known people who can hit a weight for a ton of reps, but their max is sometimes not a whole lot higher than that - it all depends on the person and what their body is suited for. So, while someone out there may be able to bench 225x45, they may max out at something like 375, which is still a great bench, but not the same as a guy who may only be able to hit 225x25 but can nail 400+. It's all based on what your body is suited for and what you train for. I've known a few guys who didn't juice who were massively strong - while a lot of really strong people are on the stuff, there's plenty of people who are not juicede and are really, really excellent lifters (I can't speak for Potter, so he'd have to answer this one.) It's quite possible that Potter's friend was simply a guy who was designed to bench (such as people with shorter arms and large chests who have a physical advantage based on body type) and made the most of what he was built to do better than most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over40 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dredging up posts of the past, I have been wondering what has happened to "Thor" over the last couple of years. His book, Raw Power! is apparently out of print, and going for anywhere between $79 to $414 on Alibris and Amazon. His claims that he benches 315 for who nows how many times seem to be a bit unrealistic to me since my former brother in law (not a vegan) benches 505 for 10 reps and 315 for up to 40 reps, and his phsyique looks a heck of a lot more lean and mean than Thor's. (Arlin) I had been asking around rawfood.com what had become of the Wolfe/Arlin team, but mum is the word over there on their website. The picture supplied caused quite a scandal at rawfood.com and after it was psoted by a member there only took a day or two to see the moderators unpost it. Supposedly the picture comes from an interview the two did for the San Diego paper. O43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuzz24 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 My apologies, but this guy is a complete fraud. His book, Raw Power! is horribly written and completely steers an aspiring bodybuilder the WRONG way. He has NO answers to his own questions in the back of the book. The guy is in terrible shape, and quite frankly, I am surprised that David Wolfe even associates with "Thor!" Anyone that legally changes there name to Thor has a self-esteem problem.......He goes on to say that he became "intelligent, and successful" after he dropped out of college...He became successful for a couple of years, AND that is because he rode the coattails of an honest, intelligent, hard-working guy like David Wolfe! And, for the record, I have trained in the same facility as "Thor," and he is a weakling. I hate to stoop to his level, but I cannot stand someone like him trying to pawn off his "techniques" on some young kid that wants to become a Raw Bodybuilder, only to see him fail. Arlin is a fake, a fraud, a weakling, and most of all, an ARROGANT jerk that cannot substantiate ANY of his claims! DO NOT WASTE 10 CENTS OF YOUR HARD-EARNED MONEY ON THIS GUY'S BOOK, OR ALL THE CRAP HE TRIES TO PUSH IN HIS BOOK. I should not even call it a book, my 2 year old son writes much better. Paying in excess of $100 bucks these days for this thing that is out of print makes me sick to my stomach! Please, please don't feed this guy's EGO or WALLET anymore than it already has been!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backonthewagon Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 There hasn't been a picture of Stephen Arlin (I REFUSE to call him Thor Bazler) posted in recent years, that show all of his fat body. He hides behind his kids in all of the pics of him I've seen. It certainly doesn't seem like he eats even 5% of his food raw these days. He looks like his diet consists of pizza, wings, burgers, beer, and pasta. He's completely bald and morbidly obese -- it's IMPOSSIBLE to gain that much weight on a raw food diet, unless your diet is 90% nuts and 10% avocados. His Raw Power protein blend is gritty and too high in fat to be a productive protein powder. I just don't see the benefit of having a seed based fat in a protein blend. Seeds are very slow to digest, and I feel like his protein blend sits in my gut, and digests just like nuts/seeds do. Not good. Especially if you want to engage in heavy physical activity. So yeah, in closing, Arlin is a complete disgrace to the raw food community. He's a complete fraud and a jokester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backonthewagon Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 There hasn't been a picture of Stephen Arlin (I REFUSE to call him Thor Bazler) posted in recent years, that show all of his fat body. He hides behind his kids in all of the pics of him I've seen. It certainly doesn't seem like he eats even 5% of his food raw these days. He looks like his diet consists of pizza, wings, burgers, beer, and pasta. He's completely bald and morbidly obese -- it's IMPOSSIBLE to gain that much weight on a raw food diet, unless your diet is 90% nuts and 10% avocados. His Raw Power protein blend is gritty and too high in fat to be a productive protein powder. I just don't see the benefit of having a seed based fat in a protein blend. Seeds are very slow to digest, and I feel like his protein blend sits in my gut, and digests just like nuts/seeds do. Not good. Especially if you want to engage in heavy physical activity. So yeah, in closing, Arlin is a complete disgrace to the raw food community. He's a complete fraud and a jokester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctica1000 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 First of all...why did he change his name...is it because it sounds tougher or more natural... And from the very beginning there were never any muscle photos or arlin anywhere...and for a bodybuilder this is strange, with his claims this is strange...you can get fat on raw with a lot fo avocadoes, nuts and seeds....oils, fake this and fake that.... I wish they would just be hounest...it would be more interesting and educational and motivational if they told the whole truth....does he suffer from anything...is he stroger, better, what does he really eat...everything.....if he is healthy, then im sure it would make more of an impact on the raw or unraw comunity regardless..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnb222 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Well not all 'raw foodist' are optimum in health.. Some advocate eating raw animal foods, such as raw eggs, dairy, and meat. We all now the health causes of animal products. Some consuming 60-70% of their daily caloric intake in fats through avocadoes, nuts, and seeds, which is a sure way to bad health. Some raw foodist believe in the power of super food supplements and high fat and high grass diets, and this is never the way to optimum health, always ending in decaying health. And then you get the raw foodies who follow the 80/10/10 diet by Doug Graham, consuming a diet abundant in fresh fruits and vegetables, with little to no fatty foods. These are the people who notice great improvements in their overall health. Including me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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