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  1. Since we're discussing the 80/10/10 diet, I read the B12 chapter again and I will try to summarize

    what this particular book says since so many people care about B12.

    According to the "80/10/10 diet" vitamin B12 can be obtained from natural plant sources.

    Vitamin B12 is made by bacteria. It was not discovered until 1948. In 1942 some pharmaceutical companies

    started using leftover chemical weapons from WWII as pesticides and insecticides. Plants soak up vitamin B12

    (among other vitamins) from the soil where the said bacteria live. As a result of the use of chemicals, the soil has been sterilized

    so the plants cannot extract the B12 from the soil.

    Therefore most nutritional researches encounter no vitamin B12 in plants.

    Organically grown plants cultivated in an organically composted soil can contain plenty of vitamin B12.

    We can also obtain it from the environment:

    A hundred years ago people did not wash their food so much and some of the soil which clung to carrots, lettuce,

    celery and such got eaten and it often contained B12. B12 can also be contained in the dirt which

    accumulates around the stem of apples, pears, peaches, apricots, etc.

    (That is what I meant about getting it from the environment. For example, I wash my fruit in the city

    but when I'm on my granny's farm, I would just wipe the dirt off and eat it. Some friends of mine and

    I went to the mountains on bikes this Saturday and I bought some apples from a local shop in a village -

    an "industrial shop", and I just wiped them and ate them. There's some chance that I got B12 from

    the area around the stem. Still, it wasn't an organic shop so who knows )

    So yes, now that you made me read this again, I know more about B12:)

    Moral of the story: stick to organic farming, to produce from organic soils and you'll have no B12 deficiency!

    This would also explain how vegans did not die enmass from B12 deficiency before its discovery in 1948.

  2. Bananas get loaded on the carriers while they are green and by the time they reach you, they ripe. This raises questions as to how good a source they are. Of course, they are not a bad source of carbs but you have noticed how their sugar goes away too quickly.

    Let the sweetness of the fruit guide you. Oranges are a good quick source. Try figs, pomegranates, water melons, melons. Pears are very good as well.

    If you want something else besides fruit which is not brown rice, you could go for chickpeas as well

  3. When you think about B12, don't you also think about all the nutrients and aspects of out bodies that we have not yet 'discovered'?

    I'm sure the Indian yogas who live over 100 years don't take B12. Indeed, many of them are not strictly vegan but some are.

    Lol, now I sound anti-scientific And I'm not. Just I have written articles about supplements too so... I know not to trust the overestimated harms associated with not taking certain products and not to underestimate the potential benefits of taking some products.

    Apart from that it's a personal choice whether to take something or not. The question is like whether the Earth is round or flat. Both sides used to be convinced they were right. But if I have seen Earth from above, I cannot refrain myself from saying it is round, at least to you, my dear vegans whom I respect and love. Who knows, it might turn out to be flat. Or maybe I'm the guy saying it's flat.

  4. I am not telling people what to do. It is a personal choice. However I myself am 99% convinced this b12 thing is a myth. Do you remember how back in the mid 90ies creatine was the new wonder? Most articles never forgot to mention that vegetarians (the word vegan was not very popular back then) had no way of obtaining creatine and had to definitely take supplements. I kept asking myself how all these people produced enough ATP to even lift their arms up? It turned out that creatine was biosynthesised in the body.

    B12 is produced by many bacteria. It is produced in our bodies as well. We take it from interaction with the environment. if you don't live in a sterile environment (which some people in cities do) or if you go outdoors you will get b12 from the environment.

    I've been vegan for a little less than 3 years and I do sports, I don't take B12 and I have absolutely no problems with my neural system whatsoever.

    I respect people's choice. It is not me who decides whether they are going to take supplements or not. If you prefer to be on the safe side, sure, take the pill, forget about the issue and focus on other more important things in your life. After all, most of us don't have laboratories at home to conduct experiments.

    For those of us who think that nature can't have created us dependent on supplements (assuming that nature creates us vegans), sooner or later, the truth comes out

    Anyway, the 80 10 10 diet works for me.

    Btw good approach, Paige. Listen to your body.

  5. I've been vegan for almost 3 years, vegetarian for 10 and alive for 29, I can do 50 dips and I have never cared where I get vitamin B12 from:)
    Three whole years? The body can hold a pretty good stash of B12 but it's not a myth that we should be mindful of intake.


    Well, almost 3 years I doubt the body can hold a stash of something for 3 years. The pharmaceutical companies dream of such shelf lives for their products . This vitamin is produced by bacteria and I'm sure that nature has provided ways of such bacteria entering the human blood flow (or wherever they are needed).

  6. Yes, there are natural boosters of testosterone. Tribulus Terrestris (puncture vine) works. Purely herbal. Serious results. No side effects. Not sure if the capsulating process is vegan, supposedly it should be. Another way is to pick some plants and make tea as I do:) (Well my brother did the picking).

  7. AFP - Toddlers who have a diet high in processed foods may have a slightly lower IQ in later life, according to a British study described as the biggest research of its kind.


    The conclusion, published on Monday, comes from a long-term investigation into 14,000 people born in western England in 1991 and 1992 whose health and well-being were monitored at the ages of three, four, seven and eight and a half. ...


    Entire article:



  8. The 80/10/10 diet gave me tremendous energy for my work outs. I was on it for like 2 months. I got up, ate 2 melons, then 15 minutes later I was on the bar doing pull ups and rotations around it for about 30 mins, then I jogged for 5 kms (about 3 miles), then I came back, showered, ate fruit (water melons, pears, grapes) and I was feeling wonderful. Then I did martial arts in the evening.

    I am currently not on it because the summer is over and with it my supply of fresh fruit and vegetables (coming from our family farm). I cannot afford to regularly buy so much fruit and I have too many V6s and Italian cars (from the 90ies) in my head right now but with some luck I'll be back to the 80/10/10 diet way before the summer comes (driving a V6 of course!). However, I am trying to stay as close as possible to fruitarianism. I'm not sure if I'm going to quit the tribulus tea though (or tea in general)

    So the 80/10/10 diet has worked for me:)

    The sweeter the fruit, the better. Pears, melons, water melons, grapes, bananas, pomegranates (godly taste!), figs, peaches and fruit like that worked good for me combined with rich salads and some nuts. Apples are delicious and very rich in vitamins but in my experience they cannot be relied upon to satisfy hunger.

    As to the dressing of the salads, you could put some lemon juice (freshly squeezed) and nuts, maybe some avocado (although I'm not sure if Dr Graham recommends avocado).

    The only disadvantage is that you pee more often and that is not very compatible with a sedentary life but the consequences of a sedentary life are incompatible with good health so that is not so bad.

    Congratulations for the courage to try it, Paige:) The beginning is really hard, sometimes impossible at once. Don't give up. Work on it step by step. We really were not born with stoves on our backs.

    Good luck and all the best to you:)

  9. You said you did not ask about our opinion on antidepressants but I have to say it - stay out of them!

    Pills like this cannot help you. If you have no motivation in your life, change your life. Else you are a robot!

    If you have neural problems, work out, it helps. If you are feeling bad, time will heal it, nothing else.

    I've never taken such pills but I have tried all of the above mentioned solutions. They work!

    All the best of luck to you

  10. Damn! As some of you may know, Toyota Prius was (albeit quetly) advertised as an animal-friendly car. Toyota previously refused to offer leather in their Prius model. This was explained in an interview by one of their managers, who said that Toyota saw vegans as the eye of the storm of the eco-friendly movement so if they won the vegans, they'd win everyone else. So far so good, some of us vegans were HAPPY and we began guerilla advertising the Prius. ONLY BECAUSE THE THING WAS NOT OFFERED WITH LEATHER! I myself have done a lot of positive imaging for the Prius and for Toyota in general ONLY for this reason, especially after the bad image campaign against Toyota with the withdrawal of cars from the US market. Yes, I'm a fan of the Japanese culture and most Japanese things (cars included), I train Japanese martial arts, I like Japan! Apart from that, I don't like underpowered cars, I don't care about fuel consumption (because some ugly rich fat guy somewhere defines the gas prices on a whim, so we use alternative fuels in Europe) and I don't like automatic transmissions. Yes, the Prius looks cute but that's about it.


    And all of a sudden....


    If you click on Prius V, you get a leather option.


    Did Toyota quietly abandon their promise of an animal-friendly car??? Or is this artificial leather? I could not find information about this and I'm greatly disturbed.

  11. Max amount of protein you can digest at once = 30gr. That's why all protein shakes have 30gr scoops inside them. More than 30gr at once = overloading the kidneys, urea in your blood, generally not nice. It won't kill you on the spot but it can cause damage on the long run.


    Recommended daily protein intake:


    doctors recommend: 1.5 gr/kg (men); 1 gr/kg (women)

    bodybuilders recommend: 1.5 - 3.3 gr/kg (men); 1 - 2.5 gr/kg (women)


    As you can see, there margin is wild! Some pro bodybuilders take as high as 3.3 gr/kg, which IMO (and according to the doctors) is too much. Note that they are on a heavy steroid intake. Some athletes recommend 1.5 gr/kg, which is (IMO) more suitable for endurance athletes who don't lose so much nitrogen during their workout. Nitrogen = what protein is made of.


    The protein myth!


    What you need to gain size is a steady supply of glycogen, some protein and the respective conditions in the body (minerals, ATP, hormones, whatever). The growth process is triggered by ... training!!! not by eating (muscle growth, not belly growth). If you train properly, your body will utilize any food it can in order to recover and become stronger.

    Muscles are built of protein. Every cell is built of protein. Even the plant cells. When you work out, you do some (minimum) damage on the very cell. That's why you need protein to recover. However, you do not need too much protein. You only need some protein to repair the damage and even less to overrepair the damage. The workout however eats up the muscle's glycogen supplies. Then you need to replenish the muscle fuel - glycogen. The more glycogen you have, the more energy you will have and the more anabolic conditions in the muscle. So that is why many top pro bodybuilders are 'high carb dieters' - for example Lee Haney and Jay Cutler.

    Lee Haney used the 60/30/10 diet even in his pre-contest period. All year, no change of the percentages. What does this mean?

    This means that 60% of his daily calorie intake came from carbohydrates, 30% came from protein and 10% came from fat. One gram of protein is 4 calories, one gram of carbs is 4 calories, one gram of fat is 9 calories.

    I personally am amazed by Dr. Douglas Graham's '80/10/10' vegan, raw food, fruitarian diet. I did put some muscle on it and I was recovering like crazy. Sadly, the summer is over and my supply of fresh fruit is gone but I will revert back to it as soon as I can afford to buy more food (rather than use the one from the family farm). Buying a bigger car first!

    So if we put your husband on the 60/30/10 diet and we assume that he weighs 63 kgs (I converted the pounds) and we want to give him 2gr of protein per kilogram of body mass, this would mean 120-130 grams of protein daily (from supplements and food together). 180 grams is nearly 3 grams of protein per kg which is too much for someone who is not on steroids and at the Olympia. Make sure the carbs he eats are 'good' carbs - with low glycemic index and as much fruit if possible.

    Actually, it doesn't matter how much protein you eat but WHEN you eat it - make sure you are loaded during the workout and that you take some immediately after the workout (that's the most crucial time, usually when the protein shake comes in). Maybe some during the night, depending on your diet. Have enough carbs, enough vitamins... The rest - just eat good vegan delicious food and work out like an animal!

  12. Update on my raw experiment!


    It was really a revelation to try to go raw (I am still trying.). I've spent some time (a month maybe?) during which I ate mostly raw food - lots of fruit and some vegetables. It happened that I ate non raw food once in 2-3 days or once a day (in small amounts), depending on the circumstances.




    + Fruit gave me supreme energy. The feeling of loading with glycogen in a negative amount of time is stunning. And hey, that energy is long lasting - this was a big surprise! The feeling of being able to wake up, eat a melon or two and start doing pull ups and push ups 15 minutes later, then jogging for 5 kms, then eating some more fruit and feeling as if you haven't trained is very overwhelming.


    + I found out that you can recover very good from anaerobic training with fruit!


    + A general feeling of enhanced awareness.


    + Cooked food feels ... dry? Therefore I have quit my addiction to bread. Not that I couldn't stop eating it before but now it's not as attractive as before. Some supposedly 'juicy' cooked foods also feel dry.


    + I got the answers to many many questions like "What is the optimum environment for the human?" "How does it feel not to be tired from ... eating?".


    + /Philosophical/Gnostic part: Yes, Dr Graham is right - we are tropical creatures! And people might object to that by saying that humanity has evolved and moved to different climate zones and adapted to the conditions there. - No, we have not evolved. We have just changed the environment and not adapted to it! We have brought the tropical temperature with us using clothes and more recently air conditioning. The deeper conclusion here is that we do have the ability to eat everything and survive in many harsh circumstances. However, we were not meant to spend our entire lives in such conditions. We are living in an exception and we're trying to discover general truths basing our conclusions on...exceptions!!! By exceptions I mean eating cooked food - yes, we can do it. Yes, we cannot survive on raw food in the tundra or in the continental late autumn. But we weren't meant to be surviving in such conditions for generations in the first place. Nature gave us the tools to escape a scarce environment in case we got into it. It didn't mean us to stay there for years.

    Having these basics, knowing how our bodies are supposed to function has helped me a lot. Before I only knew something was wrong. Now I know exactly what is wrong (the physical body in an unnatural environment) and I know how things look like when you fix them (the natural feeling of true well being).


    - It is hard to obtain so much fruit in the continental climate zone, especially with the summer already passed.

    This, however, is only slowing me down on the way to complete raw eating!


    I still don't eat only raw food because that would, at the moment, mean starvation for me. This will change in the future and I'm not giving up:) It feels like when I was going vegan from vegetarian.


    Those of you who are already raw fooders might just laugh at my attempts to 'discover hot water'. However, I think it is good to share this information while I am in the transition period.

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