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  1. Sorry I can't help with soylessness, I've eaten the stuff since I was about 5, and since then I've been skinny, obese, flabby, skinny, ripped, flabby, muscular, flabby, and then whatever you want to call me now. I don't hold soy responsible along the way, it's been a constant
  2. Our perceptions can tell us the truth some of the time. But my point is that the only thing that makes us (or at least, me) think that free will could exist, is our perception of it. Since our perceptions are not to be relied upon on their own, since we know that just because something appears a certain way on face value it isn't proven to be true, you need to look outside that at other evidence to confirm it, and from everything I know on the subject so far, there is no other evidence. Everything science has to say points to determinism that I've come across, most arguments against determinism are in the form of why it's unpleasant to think about and what it would do to society, rather than whether it is factual or not. I am eagerly in search of something which supports free will in a scientific sense, or something which disproves determinism. I'd love it to be the case that determinism is not true, but right now I don't really see how that could be. I'm quite open to somebody proving fate or free will with evidence or a theory, so far I haven't seen one. Determinism stands up to scrutiny for me at this point in time, I could have my mind changed with a more compelling theory. Physics defines everything and everything behaves in a predictable way ultimately, there needs to be evidence of something else happening to change my mind, otherwise it's really just conjecture about something unknowable. To me it doesn't matter if someone's been to university or written a book, it's possible to understand this particular theory on a practical level I think. I've got no qualifications in science outside highschool. But it's just a simple matter of accepting that physics governs all. But I agree that it is a bummer to think about. EDIT: A couple of examples of attempted scientific determinism disproving: 1) Subatomic particles appear to move randomly, and no amount of analysis has provided scientists with an explanation of what determines their movements. Some say that this proves that this is the key to free will. This however, is irrelevant for two reasons. Firstly, this random behaviour occurs in all atoms, not just ones in the brain, or even in living beings. Therefore, to say that this grants the brain "free will" is to say that everything else that exists has free will which is crazy. The other thing is that even if you say that this random element could influence things on a larger scale (atoms, cells...) it would still be random. So either everything is random (incorrect), or it lacks influence to sway the predictable cause and effect of physics (correct). So in any case, this theory does not impact determinism. 2) If you were to build a machine which had 100% knowledge of every atom in the universe, if determinism is true, it could predict the future. So you can get a test subject to make a choice of A or B at a set time, but have the machine predict beforehand. But, as a twist, you show the prediction to the test subject and instruct them to do the opposite. Therefore the machine is proved wrong, since to get them to pick A, it has to predict B... but if it predicts B it is wrong! Take that computer/determinism! Not so fast. First of all, you could run the same experiment, but instead of a human test subject, you could have a 2nd computer, programmed to do the reverse of what it is predicted. This way it still beats the first computer's prediction, yet you would not say that the test subject computer has free will. So that busts that one. But there is another reason why it doesn't work - even if the predicting computer has to give a "false" prediction to get you to pick A instead of B, you're still acting out a predictable motion. So all this does is prove that such a machine would have paradoxes and would not work, rather than prove anybody has free will. And those two are the only scientific reasons I have come across, and the 2nd one is completely theoretical anyway
  3. It seems most likely given what I know. I had the notion explained to me years ago. I haven't heard any convincing evidence against determinism, and haven't heard any convincing evidence for anything else - except the feeling of free will that we experience. But our feelings and perceptions are not to be trusted, there are all kinds of "illusions" that can seem real until we understand them. For instance if you are down the street from a car, and you hold your hand up, the car is smaller than your hand according to your eyes - and as you walk closer to it the car increases in size in your vision. But you know that's not actually happening, that's just how perspective is interpreted by our eyes. Likewise, there are optical illusions that make things seem like they are spinning, even if it's a static pattern, we can be fooled. If you face a wall, and a sound comes from behind you, it rebounds off a wall and seems like it is in front of you, or surrounding you - but with understanding, you know that's just how sound behaves. I believe that feeling as though we are choosing things falls into the area of illision, and is part of evolution. Most likely if everyone in society didn't believe they had a will, things would fall apart. In fact I've read articles on neuroscience where the scientists have actually said that they are concerned about the perceived benefits of sharing evidence of determinism, if it is true as it could do more harm than good potentially if it is believed.
  4. Yes buddy, gym once again... I'll tell you, this is day 5 in a row of going to the gym, and today I did not want to go. I was feeling a bit tired, had other things I wanted to do instead... but went anyway, and really sweated. I know my workouts might not look like much, and to some people maybe they are a doddle. But I do them with no breaks at all, it is a circuit and has cardio elements because of that, I go from one thing to the next leaving puddles of sweat as I go. Sitting on the bike at the end I just wanted to go home, but I feel good that I am sticking to what I said, 4 more days in the gym, let's do it. 10 minutes rowing machine 5 minutes cross trainer dumbbell bench press: 30kg x12, x8, and then new PB 32kg x7! woop. So I guess I'll be using 32s from now Crunches: 20, 10, 10, 10, 10 No-weight squats: 20, 20, 20 Hammer curls: 14kg x12, x10, x10 Push ups x20 Incline dumbbell bench press 20kg x8 5 minutes bike Food: 4 burgers kiwi cupful of nuts 2 homemade burgers (burger mix, carrots, kale, broc, onion) Protein shake Cashew nuts homemade popcorn with a little salt Some kiwi, apple, grape and mango cocktail stick things
  5. Okay, here are some more, pretty happy right now, still working on the ol' belly. We'll see how far I get http://www.godfist.com/body/feb_2012/traps2.jpg http://www.godfist.com/body/feb_2012/traps4.jpg http://www.godfist.com/body/feb_2012/front_lats1.jpg http://www.godfist.com/body/feb_2012/back1.jpg http://www.godfist.com/body/feb_2012/ridiculous2.jpg
  6. Yeah I'd just downplay the powders for everyday health - it is unnecessary, they're taken for bodybuilding, you're not knocking back protein drinks just to survive and prevent yourself from passing out each day!
  7. I think it really comes down to how you define 'fate'. Everyone has choices to make in day-to-day living, and the choice they make is a product of their life experiences. However, once they have made that choice, it has become fate, since they did in fact make that choice and it cannot be undone. But I don't think that is the definition of fate you are thinking of. Yeah I wouldn't call that "fate". If you're genuinely choosing something to happen, and you can choose from 2 or more options, how can it be fated to happen? If what you happen to choose is what you always would have chosen no matter what, then that's no choice at all, even if it appears open, so it can't be called free will. I'll put it in a direct example to clarify what I'm asking in the poll: Scenario: There are two flavours of drink in your fridge, and you go to pick one. Free will states that you can actually choose flavour A or B Fate states that because of the nature of fate (whether it is a force of nature or a grand plan made by a god) it is already decided that you would choose A, and nothing you do could lead you to drink B Determinism states that because of the series of events that lead to the present, your decision will be whatever it is, but whichever it is, you couldn't have chosen the other So given those definitions, I don't see how there is any compatibility. I think those in this thread who are talking about a compatibility are really saying they believe in free will. Alternatively, perhaps people are saying that inanimate objects are governed by physics, but things that are "alive" have free will. Kind of murky territory, do bacteria have free will? At what point does something become alive and make genuine choices that affect the universe? What is special about things that are alive in the first place? Given the lack of evidence of a spirit or lifeforce, we are actually just a collection of atoms, which are entirely governed by the laws of physics. The way I personally see things (as I now realise I haven't actually said what I believe) is that there is 100% grindingly predictable determinism. That doesn't mean that a human is equipped to predict anything because the universe is so vast, and the number of things reacting and clashing with each other is completely outside our comprehension. We are made out of cells, which individually cannot be said to have free will. But that's all we are (and as you dissect a cell, you discover even smaller elements also governed by physics, which are reacting without free will). In order to prove that there is free will, in fact you have to prove that in the brain there is activity that does not rely on the laws of physics - there has to be activity that ignores the laws of physics, or controls the laws of physics within the brain. That's not the case though. The laws of physics govern everything that the brain is made of, and therefore the brain itself depends on its parts, and your ability to choose is an illusion. The brain is a physical object after all. I would find free will more convincing if when we open the skull we just find an empty space. Then there would be no evidence of what controls us - and it would be more mysterious. Yet we plainly can see what controls us - the brain.
  8. I guess it depends why you're doing it. If you think it's important to put across the message that you can achieve what you've done without protein supplements, then that's what you'll have to do. But I think you should consider why that is. Is it just because of what other people will think - even if they are wrong to think it? Sometimes I consider dropping protein supplements altogether because I'd rather eat a more "natural" diet (as far as is possible), for my own health, and for some kind of feeling of "doing it right" or not cheating...
  9. Well I think that regardless of whether there is free will, fate or determinism, any action you take does have consequences. It's just that if you believe in free will, then you think you could have done something else. If you believe in fate, you believe that you are destined to do whatever it is that you choose to do. But still, that action still leads to something else, you are a part of a bigger picture. If you believe in determinism, you believe that any choice you make is determined by the laws of physics. But, again, your actions will lead to further actions and reactions, it's just one big chain of reactions. So I don't believe that fate or determinism breeds inaction or apathy - perhaps by those who don't understand what it means. If you think about it, if you believe in fate, and you are thinking "I want to be a doctor" - if you then think "Ah well, it's either fated or it's not, so I won't go to college" - well, you certainly will not be a doctor. You at least have to try and hope that it is fated that you will succeed, same with determinism. You have to remember, people have large egos, and so if they believe in "fate", they think it will revolve around them. I'm mainly interested in seeing the results of the poll and the reasons why people believe what they do, rather than what they don't like about a belief. I mean, if a scientist is testing something, they don't say "Well, I don't want it to do this..." they say "What evidence is there of it or against it?" If they find a substance which is poisonous, then saying "I don't like it" doesn't make it any less true that it is poisonous! So regardless of whether fate or determinism would lead to a pessimistic or apathetic society, I'm interested in the credibility of such ideas - and credibility of free will. I can't get my head around a combination of fate and freewill, or determinism and free will. Either we have some kind of lifeforce or spirit in us which allows us to make a choice, or we don't. If we only have 1 option, or a path is chosen for us, we don't have free will. If we have alternatives that we genuinely can take, then it smashes fate and determinism, I don't see a middle ground.
  10. Whether or not a belief in fate / determinism is healthy to society, in terms of apathy and ethical behaviour is another question to whether it's true or not!
  11. Yeah man, me too, and I don't like to throw away money if there's something just as good for less
  12. Yeah man, I generally get these: http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/123/ddb3527a477e4bbfba3cb7d29ae3235e/l.jpg Here you can see it in a meal: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8737/dsc00102sd.jpg I get them from Holland and Barrett, cheap as piss, only £1 for a box of 4. Though they are thinner than most burgers, it still works out at fantastic value. As a treat I also get these big bastard ones from my local healthfood shop. They are Redwoods so they should be easy to get http://i5.goodness-direct.co.uk/d/412475b.jpg You can see what they look like for real here: http://mediaserver.dwpub.com/press-release/9981/original_47741.jpg More expensive, I think they work out like £2.50 for a pack of two, so I don't get them so much, real nice though... To clarify, in my diet right now when I say "burger", I literally mean that, i do not have a bap or bread, just the burgeriness. But normally I'd have them in a bap, my girlfriend has them in a sandwich. EDIT: Found both items on goodnessdirect.co.uk http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/279464_Vegetarians_Choice_Vegetable_Protein_Burgers__200g.html http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/412475_Redwood_Gourmet_Meat_Free_Quarter_Pound_Burgers_228g.html But there are lots of other burger-type things on there not tried them all http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/script/search.html?query=burger&snar=
  13. What's happening son? Hope you are still with us and not injured. Keep up your journal, inspirational!
  14. "Getting enough protein" depends on what you're doing and what your goals are. Just for everyday life, health and avoiding protein-deficiency is simple and you don't even need to worry about it, but for bodybuilding it's a whole different matter. I can get plenty of protein for everyday life on a vegan diet, you don't really need very much, and to start with (before I knew anything about bodybuilding) I consumed that much whilst trying to increase muscle mass. I was eating about 65g of protein a day. That is easy to get, in fact I'd say it's hard not to (so long as you are eating the usual things like bread, pasta , rice...) I made progress even on that small amount, and became fit and lean. However I didn't get very big But after I read anything about building muscle, I realised I'd need more, and that's where the powder comes in handy because you can boost the protein without the carbs or fat that food would give you. Almost all bodybuilders use some kind of protein supplement - vegan or not. People ask me "Oh, you take a protein drink... because you're vegan" (as though that's the only way a vegan can get any, like it's cheating) and I say "No, I take it because I lift weights"
  15. Okay last night I was seriously bloated and I don't know why. Looking at my food yesterday, all I can think is that I drank a lot of smoothie, then laid down to watch TV. Belly was really swollen, I don't know what's going on TODAY Training 30 minutes cardio (10 rowing, 10 bike, 10 crosstrainer) Dips: x10, x12, x12 Asked the guy at the gym if I could use the support bars on the treadmill to do dips. He said "no". Nice guy. So I found that I can do them in the corner of my kitchen on the counter, i'll be using that from now on Food: Breakfast: 1 banana, 2 burgers, 2 cups of tea Post-workout: 1 banana, Baked beans Lunch: Cupful of nuts and sultanas, 1/2 a mango, 1 thick burger (AWESOME), 2 carrots Afternoon: Half a mango, bowl of TVP Evening: Protein shake with flax, pear, apple
  16. Yeah buddy, welcome to the site
  17. Legs are still sore from Thursday man! Training: 2 minutes warm up on the rowing machine Again, did exercises in a circuit one after the other, these are the total sets Dumbbell bench press: 30kg x10, x8, x8 Dumbbell shoulder press: 16kg x6, x8, x10 Shoulder Raise: 12kg x10 Hammer curls: 14kg x10, x10 Incline Dumbbell press: 16kg x12 Crunches: 24, 22, 20, 10, 10 Martial arts stretching and kicks for 10 minutes Rowing machine 5 minutes Food: Breakfast: Protein shake with flax Brunch: 2 burgers, kidney beans with yeast flakes Pre-workout: 3 Bananas Post-workout: Protein shake with flax, mixed nuts and seeds Evening: Smoothie - green kale, kiwi, pear, 2 bananas, tropical fruit squash
  18. Richard

    Hello n_n

    Hi, welcome to the site! I found that when I got into shape after being overweight, I stayed the same weight, but looked a lot thinner, because of the whole thing about fat weighing less than muscle. So my muscles got bigger, and I weighed more as a result, but the loss of fat balanced it out.
  19. I don't know, but I am assuming (because it seems logical to me) that the score for each nutrient depends on the %RDA that the food provides. So if something provides a larger amount of nutrient A than nutrient B, it doesn't matter, it only matters what %RDA of nutrient A there is. Otherwise, for a nutrient which you need 10x mg of, getting x mg is not much, whereas if it's a nutrient you only need 2x mg per day, and you can get x mg, then it should get a higher rating, if you see what I mean. But I have no idea how he calculates it.
  20. Yeah? Today so far I have been doing push ups and chin ups through the day, and have reached the goal I set for myself: 200 push ups 100 chin ups seated row: 50kg x12, x7, x7 Bike 30 minutes Food Breakfast: Protein shake with flax, 1 apple Brunch: Big smoothie with lots of Purple Kale, 1 Pear, 2 Bananas, Mixed Berries Lunch: Kidney beans with yeast extract Post-workout: 2 burgers and a protein shake with flax Evening: Protein shake with flax, half a mango, dried pineapple, nuts and sultanas, salted popcorn
  21. This has popped up before, put I just had a look around to see if it's being discussed lately and I don't think it is. I always remind myself of this, to make sure I'm not eating empty calories. http://www.glamour.com/health-fitness/blogs/vitamin-g/0209-andi-scores_vg.jpg The scores are explained here: http://onthelime.com/_blog/On_The_Lime_Blog/tag/kale/ But basically, they're saying per calorie, Kale and Collards have the highest amount of vitamins and minerals. Relative to the amount that they have, they then have scored other foods per calorie. It's because of this that I eat so much spinach now, I eat it every day, because I can get it all year round. Now that it is Winter, I can get Kale, so I am eating a tonne of that.
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