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  1. But they are easily removed by cooking unlike soy. With soy you have to ferment it in order to rid of the massive more amount of chemicals in it. It's a unique bean indeed.
  2. Dude, he is my fricken vegan hero! Look at the size of those shoulder boulders! Dat chest too! Yeah, he is awesome. How close are you to your goal right now? Uhh....give me 10 years and we'll see hehe. My max stats are as follows in lbs: Bench: 195 Squat: 245 Deadlift: 275 Overhead Press: 135
  3. Dude, he is my fricken vegan hero! Look at the size of those shoulder boulders! Dat chest too!
  4. Ok, update time. So I went ahead and did a second blood test as my doctor requested it to confirm if I was having T troubles. Turns out it was much higher this time (435 ng), so he no longer can provide treatment as it is in normal levels now. I still wish it was higher. You guys are right in saying I cannot prove that soy reduced my testosterone levels, but I'm not willing to take any chances here. Look at the size and strength of Avi who consumes almost no soy compared to the rest of the vegan bodybuilding community. There are a few vegans with decent physiques, but the moderate consumption of soy is holding us back somewhat I feel (I know Cheeke does eat soy, but what about Derek Tresize?) I'll try to go for more avocados, nuts, and hummus, but while all these things are great for calories, nutritional fat, and minerals how the hell am I gonna get my 180g (weighing in at 180 lbs) of protein a day eating this stuff? Beans, peanut butter, and grains only go so far. I guess I'll need to start buying protein powder again. kenny: Asians do not eat as much soy as you think actually. While they have the occasional tofu in their soup, they mostly eat fish, beef, and chicken for their protein sources. I've taught English in Korea for a while, so I can say firsthand Koreans eat a ton of fish and beef rather than tofu. This fact about Asia is actually brought up in a lot of studies about the dangers of soy done by established members of the nutrition and scientific community. Whether some researchers are being bribed or not, phytoestrogens and phylates are in soy. By nature they are anti-nutrients, so they have some kind of effect on us when we digest them.
  5. Over the past month, I've just suddenly realized this as well. Without tofu and soy protein isolate, it makes the vegan diet oh so stale. Soy was the only thing keeping me strong on the vegan diet, but without it I don't know how to eat mixed meals anymore. It's either PB+J, beans and rice, beans and soup, bagels, rice protein shakes, broccoli with peas and quinoa. I mean sure you mix the beans with the quinoa or add some broccoli to the beans and rice, but I'm ending up eating the same meals every single day. Usually 2 PBJ meals, 2 bagels, some sort of beans and rice are eaten everyday. It's driving me crazy slowly. Vegetarianism may be the better option at this point.
  6. Welp, let's get started. I just my blood test results back last week, and I found out that I have low testosterone (320ng). Being a guy this explains why I feel so craptastic all the time being only 23. Over the past year I have dealt with fatigue issues despite, and lately I'm often in a grumpy mood where I hate everything and don't want to do anything productive. With my testosterone levels in the crapper now, I have to make severe changes to my diet now. I believe the phylates, phytoestrogens, and goitrogenics from my high soy diet over the past 5 years have caused my T levels to drop. I'm dropping soy completely, but now I'm not sure if I can do a vegan diet without soy. I've depended upon it for the past few years, and it's the one thing that has kept me on the vegan diet for so long. I have thought about going down the same route Avi Lehyani has and just eat primarily beans, grains, nuts, and vegetables. I've been eating that diet for the past week, and it's NOT easy. It's so stale! I can only eat brown rice, black beans, and broccoli so many times a week. Without soy, I'm down to PBJ Sandwiches, beans and pasta, beans and rice, oatmeal, whole grain bagels, and brussel sprouts/broccoli. I've been cheating with the occasional Clif bar, but I'm not having too much fun with the Avi diet here. I don't care at all for meat, but I'm craving milk and cheese pretty badly. I've always ate my beans, rice, and grains, but dammit soy milk was a big part of my diet. I was and I'm a still a big sucker for soy milk; I prefer to drink my protein on days my appetite is not there. It's a super easy way to get my daily protein, and I need it in my cereal and oats. It's also great for cutting which I'm pretty perplexed how to do now. How can a non-soy eating vegan cut and lose fat when all of his protein sources come from high carb foods. How the hell did Avi cut down to low bf levels? With the diet being so stale that even I'm having trouble with it, I ask myself what's the point of this now? I mean it's possible to stick with this hardcore diet, but why? Our vegan lifestyles have little impact on the meat industry unfortunately. When I went vegan years back, the goal was to help make the boycott of animal products as big as possible to help campaign against animal cruelty. It might be just that I'm struggling without soy, but I don't see how we can promote such a hardcore diet for bodybuilder enthusiasts when most of them would die before they give up their steak. It's a diet that's really hard to follow for a beginner especially when your options for eating out dwindle down to little. With milk in the equation it makes it much more appealing, but I realize that consuming dairy supports animal cruelty. The cows are pumped with unhealthy milk-producing hormones, confined to their small pens on the factory farms, and constantly have to be pregnant to produce the most amount of milk. Also, many of the young calves produced through the multiple pregnancies become veal meat, so it's lose-lose situation as I see it. At least if the population of vegetarians grows over time, then the controversy of animal cruelty will eventually be put more in daily conversation, media attention, and eventually government. Unfortunately, it does not matter if a few tough vegans among the 7 billion people on the planet can conjur the willpower to eat a hardcore plant diet. Your thoughts?
  7. I do eat a can or two of black beans every week or so as well as things like broccoli, nuts, and peas. However, eating avocados, rice, potatoes on a cutting diet often is not the most effective for a cutting diet since the idea is to reduce calories below maintenance while keeping protein on the high. It's difficult to hit 180g (I weigh 180ish) of protein every single day unless a high amount of soy protein is involved because other vegan sources of protein are loaded with either a high amount of carbs or fat. I really did wish rice had more protein in it because it's damn delicious stuff. I've bought some grocery store brand rice protein powders, and my god they taste absolutely awful. What are the best ones to buy online?
  8. I'm not dropping anything because I want to shed extra bodyfat. My point which is located on the title of the thread is that I'm burnt out on soy. All I eat is soy, so after 7 years it tastes like crap in my mouth, and I don't think eating nearly only soy is very healthy. I need a variety of proteins. I'm reading seitan does not have a great amino acid profile despite its high protein value. Also, I've changed to a rice based powder before. It only replaced one or two of my meals a day where as I was still eating 3-4 soy meals a day; it also tasted like sandpaper even when blended.
  9. I'm not dropping anything because I want to shed extra bodyfat. My point which is located on the title of the thread is that I'm burnt out on soy. All I eat is soy, so after 7 years it tastes like crap in my mouth, and I don't think eating nearly only soy is very healthy. I need a variety of proteins. I'm reading seitan does not have a great amino acid profile despite its high protein value. Also, I've changed to a rice based powder before. It only replaced one or two of my meals a day where as I was still eating 3-4 soy meals a day; it also tasted like sandpaper even when blended.
  10. Hello everyone, I just finished a half of block of tofu with some soy sausage patties while nearly gagging. Bulking is great for vegans since we get a large variety of foods to get calories and protein from, but when it comes to cutting my diet consists of 80% soy whether it is coming from soy protein powder, tofu, tempeh, or high processed soy meats. I've eaten and loved soy for the past 7 years here, but I'm slowly approaching a soy overload mark. Many times when I eat soy now I get this burning bitter aftertaste in my mouth which causes me to squint my eyes in disgust. Now I'm a tough person, and I can stomach this crap sickly aftertaste (it does actually make me feel tougher bearing the crap taste), but I'm not sure for how much longer. If I'm struggling with this diet, how can I recommend this diet for the average joe who wants to build a chiseled physique? Normal vegans have it great with a large variety of foods that can taste absolutely wonderful with the magic of cooking, but vegan bodybuilding has a stale and unbalanced diet that is becoming more and more ineffective in my mind. We cannot deny anyone the right to start bodybuilding, but how can we build a animal cruelty free society by advocating this stale diet for bodybuilders? I strongly support the fact that the tiny estrogen contained within soy is harmless, but a diet consisting of 80% soy for cutting phases that which to preserve muscle mass is not balanced nor healthy I'm beginning to feel. I'm not getting a variety of sources of protein, I'm burned out on soy, and I'm concerned that high soy protein diets can cause hypothyroidism. Maybe Cheeke is a few years away from it who knows? In light of this, I'm seriously considering going back to vegetarian. The whey and milk and possibly eggs will give me a much needed break from soy. Your thoughts? My sample cutting diet for reference: Meal 1 Oats with soy milk and soy protein powder Black coffee Meal 2 2 Clif Builder bars Meal 3 Protein shake w/ fruit Meal 4 Tofurky sandwich with some carrots, spinach, olives, and tomatoes Meal 5 Fried tofu with broccoli Meal 6 Protein shake w/ fruit
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