Neven

By looking at this site, i'm eating way to little protein for my needs

and i was thinking that i'm eating to much.

Wow, now the mystery is finally solved for me. Soy mustve given me the "gay" too. Next you will tell us that roids will make us straight again.

If I go gay I'll go for steroids.

You are on of the sickest here

I would like to read your meal plan.

Well, by the numbers it looks ok, if the fat doesn't go down, try to increase protein and lower the carbs, fat should remain the same or slightly higher.

Look that the overall cal stay the same or even lower.

By the way, I don't see any beans in your program, do you eat them?

It is a good source of protein and carb at the same time.

The boosters have their pros and cons, as with anything. Part of the problem is that when you start a cycle, you need to take an off cycle to prevent your elevated estrogen levels from taking control...not everyone knows this and they see some rather upsetting results. Once you decide to take this step (on and off cycles), you end up relying on it for your size/strength/conditioning once you start taking it. I personally believe in manipulating your diet and regimen to overcome plateaus.

Do you mean something like Tribulus Terrestris?

It is not an anabolic hormone so I think there is no need for on's & off's.

And with anabolic hormones you have to take a post cycle therapy on "off days" and with tribulus there is no such thing.

People keep telling me I have to eat meat to lose weight, but I know that that is not the answer. Does anyone have any advice?

They also say that when you want to gain weight.

...and khm khm... you do look sss...good.

It does sounds better to eat whole olives than drinking olive oil.

This is interesting, because conventional bodybuilders are always trying to spike IGF levels for better growth, perhaps not realizing (or not caring) that it will be detrimental to health in the long term. IGF is a growth factor for prostate cancer, I remember offhand, and I'm sure there are others. To me it is utter stupidity to focus wholly on the body's appearance and not its state of health.

IGF-1 is one of the most appreciated androgen hormones.

It would be good if they posted what did those guy eat to get such results. You can say that they got to this looks only with exercises just to little kids.

For me - thendanisays

Troy, but I have to give respect to Lean & Green for great progress. I would vote for him if he only had time to prepare and cut up a little bit. There is mass under that skin.

And last but not least Octo, great definition, great mass but on the pictures it seems that Troys legs are little bit bigger, and that is only reason I've not voted for him.

Some people just need more reps to respond...or maybe more sets to failure rather than focusing on a number or reps

...and some need less, usually natural bodybuilders with slow recovery rate of muscles.

Octo & Troy

Do you shave your legs?

Nice, I like it.

something to rock on high volume before some heavy lifts. Fuck yeeeah

Of the floor, raw.

Yeah, I know Potter recommended far less. I think he was saying he gets 1/4g/lb of protein per day. I was picturing him saying how we are getting closer to the "ideal" amount.

And he is still gaining mass!

But to put the joke on the side, I really enjoy reading his posts.

I know it is not the actual meat that I want it is just the seasoning and flavor of it. No one eats raw meat it is the texture and seasoning that we find appetizing.

Know when you said it I think I can agree with you. I have never thought about it in that way and now when you said it I think thats the exact point.

Since going vegetarian I have been couple of times in butcher's shops and their cold storages and believe me annemiekeclark there is nothing tempting/alluring in that smell.

I also some time crave for it but if conditioned myself and it goes away really quickly. I think about the horror of it, the unhealthy side, the expensive side, my word, my pride and there is nothing that would bring me back to it.

I think Robert is right.

Looking good, the thickness is still here.

Troy you are so f... crazy

They look really mmmmm

What's the ratio of macros in it?

Oats with some milk, bread with peanut butter or some other butter, any kind of fruit or vegetable, canned beans, peas and corn, maybe some soy yogurt and if you said that it is not a problem to take a cooler with, you could prepare something at home and put it in plastic/glass containers then in the cooler and then when you get to a room where you stay in a fridge.

Congrats Robbie you're a real -

Right now, I am consuming about 2.2 g/kg. After skimming this book, I think a reduction is necessary.

Me also.

I think opinions in this book are more reliable than bodybuilding magazine or bodybuilders recommendations.

Also good point in the article is if you consume a big meal probably your body won't digest it so good as when a small meal is eaten.

Lower protein intake leads to better digestion efficiency.

Also one good thought in the book is that you don't have to constantly stick to a meal by meal in intervals of 2-3 hours, its good, but if the situation is like that you can go by without meal for 5 hours and it will not lead to protein re-synthesis.