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Well an annoying thing happened, I started getting digestive issues with gluten (and I think soy but that's not confirmed yet so I'm sticking with the first now). Slightly gaoling for me as I've know so many people who jump on the coolest "allergy" or "inteollerance" which can get annoying..

Anyway, noticed a lot of things I buy like breads and fake meat (sandwiches) and other fake meats are not gluten free.. Should I just give these things up or should I try and find something different? The issue I've had with the second is that, well I can't seem to find any in the UK apart from one or two that are really expensive..

Haven't experienced this myself....suppose it could be lots of things, but first instinct was foods. Maybe too much oils or fat in your foods?

 

Will check back on this one....

Well I've been told by the Doc that it's a myth that fats and so on cause spots.. Also that it's possible for adults to get acne as they get towards middle age. May have to try some teenage spot cleansing things.

This is kind of annoying... I never really had that many spots when I was younger but now that I've hit thirty I'm getting lots of red blemishes on my upper arms and pretty substantial spots on my shoulders and upper back.

I've been to the doctor about it and I've done a few things though the strongest was antibiotics. Wondering if anyone has managed to shift this if they've also had it later in life?

No not steroids.. Bit of a problem that they share the same term..

 

Anyway, I got a vegetable and fruit juicer for my birthday so I thought I would try it out, always wanted to try the vegetable/fruit juice stuff as I'm really not a breakfast person and that would be much easier (some of the time).

 

I tried a kale one and about two hours later I felt really sick, not feverish just sick. Another hour or so later I was praying to the toilet gods..

 

I could put this down to the vegetables being a little off and me not noticing, contamination or something but I've heard of juiced vegetables making people blow chunks too.. Just wondering if it happened to anyone here?

 

Praying to the toilet gods

 

Yeap I've been there too, juicing veg is just not my cup of tea, i'd rather have my someone fart in me gub than trying to take down a veg juice. A few years back i bought one of those Jack Lalane power juicer (fell hook, link and sinker for the ad:), anyway i decided one day to have a go at one of the recipes in the accompanying booklet, it was apple, carrot and ginger, i juice the apples, then the carrots, and then went to add the ginger, it said use just a one inch chunk, well, i'd never had ginger before and thought that a one inch chuck was a bit stingy, so i threw in two whole roots. I then give the juice of the apples, carrots and ginger a good stir and took one huge gulp. it was at this point i got "schooled" in the potency of ginger, felt like my throat had been set a light, i shit ya not, i was talking like chewbacca for days after. I've never juiced since:)

I think I can put mine down to what was in it rather than juicing itself. I'm pretty sure I could get away with juicing fruit and so on.. yea you're missing out on a good portion of the fibre and so on but still better than store bought juices.

Did you have a painful stomache?

i know that certain foods give me pretty intense stomache pains for a while, probably due to indigestible fiber content, or lack thereof or something

 

otherwise, some foods just make me feel sick, like if i trink tea, then do any sort of physical exertion within the next 2 hours, i'll feel really queasy, some foods just dont sit well in the stomache

 

also thanks for the imagery

Eh all I could taste for two days was kale. It's a good vegetable juicer but I might lay off of the kale for a while because, well it was either what I ate for dinner or the juice, not sure which.. I was thinking more the juice as I ate the same thing the day before and I was fine. Just surprising that it can make you hurl.

No not steroids.. Bit of a problem that they share the same term..

Anyway, I got a vegetable and fruit juicer for my birthday so I thought I would try it out, always wanted to try the vegetable/fruit juice stuff as I'm really not a breakfast person and that would be much easier (some of the time).

I tried a kale one and about two hours later I felt really sick, not feverish just sick. Another hour or so later I was praying to the toilet gods..

I could put this down to the vegetables being a little off and me not noticing, contamination or something but I've heard of juiced vegetables making people blow chunks too.. Just wondering if it happened to anyone here?

well, of course i do, i didnt comment on that part so my opinion i guess wasnt complete, if they are saying that, perhaps there are certain health issues related to a vegan diet they are focusing on, i'm sure the benefits outweigh the downsides for most people, but yeah.

 

Also, there is such a thing as b12 deficiency, certain fatty acids aren't easy to get as far as i know, i know things like flaxseed, chia, etc have certain parts of fatty acids, but lack in other parts (i'm not currently read up on it, i just take a capsule every day and not think about it lol)

 

b12 is made in the body, yes, but it's also made in other things bodies, so when people on an omniverous diet eat them, they get an extra source of b12, otherwise you may take a supplement to help with that

 

what magazine was this? i have a hard time believing they would say something so, i guess controversial, although they might be willing to since, veganism is somewhat of a niche diet.

The Institute for Proper Nutrition (UK)'s Summer magazine.

how many could there be? it's kind a niche market xD

if you're into reading about gossip, fads, and the such, i don't think the companies alignment would have anything to do with me reading it

Reading your previous comments on other threads I think that you're a bit of a subtle troll. So I'll just block you for now.

what's new about it? it's just a continuing thing

the meat industry likes to market products

you make it sound like there's a conspiracy, the anti-vegan revolution, it's really just people liking meat, and i'm guessing that it's just as prevalent today as yesterday.

perhaps you just had certain things in your head which made you notice things, or just coincidentally encountered a few different things, "pushback" implies some sort of co-ordinated effort to exterminate vegans or something, it's just the usual deal

 

"It claimed that all vegans are sick, they lack vitamins A, B12 and "essential fats". They even claimed that people should eat animal fats because they are good for the brain."

what's wrong with that? it's perfectly correct

it's difficult for vegans to get vitamin b12, omega fatty acids, which are also good for the brain, seems pretty reasonable to me, it's just a fact of life that we have to deal with

Vitamin B12 is made by the body, fatty acids are easy to get. The magazine basically said "Vegans are all sick and have high death rates".. So you don't have a problem with that?

 

 

I hear ya.

It's something that gets me very angry. To the "fat acceptance" movement, anyone who is naturally slim OR has worked for their body (be it muscular, slim or so on) is oppressing them and is unfairly privileged over them. Just look up "fat acceptance" or "thin privilege"

To them, being obese is healthy and they think the world should accept that. The amount of amazing, over the top lies they tell themselves is insane. They will sometimes put pictures of themselves, usually obese but doing basic yoga moves.. Congratulations, just because you can get into a yoga pose doesn't mean that your body isn't swimming in fat.

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A few years ago, when I became vegan I didn't see much comment about it other than the usual meat head comments that no one could really believe.

However, there seems (at least to me) to be a growing push back against veganism. For example, I was waiting in my Doctor's surgery a few days ago when I saw a magazine by "The Institute for Nutrition" with a big "Should we eat meat?" article advertised over the front cover. After reading it I was a bit shocked. It claimed that all vegans are sick, they lack vitamins A, B12 and "essential fats". They even claimed that people should eat animal fats because they are good for the brain.

Currently, the BBC are running a documentary about meat though they don't show how the meat industry affects the planet, it also doesn't show the health costs of meat or how the animals are treated in the meat and dairy industry. All it seems to say is "Stick to grass fed, "humane" meat sources"..

It seems like every day I wake up I will see or hear more and more pro meat and anti vegan propaganda without even looking for it. Some times you just wish you could reach over and.... smack someone >

There is a growing problem (usually seen on places like Tumblr) of thin shaming and fat acceptance.

This is not just accepting people for who they are, this fat acceptance movement says that basically, if you're thin, then you're privileged along with claiming that being obese isn't unhealthy for you.

Crazy world with stupid people in it today.

Okay subjective question but which magazine do people prefer... I haven't been on the forums in a long while due to surgery, sickness and problems way out of my control. It seems some genetic issues that caused my bad eyesight also messed up a few other things.

Regardless.. What do people read? Looking for some magazines (preferably vegan based) for inspiration.

I used to do a log of Kung Fu which had a lot of Yoga like stretches in it.. Now I do Wing Chun (not so stretch orientated) and Kendo (Pretty much the same).

I started sleeping on a futon as my back was giving me pain sleeping on any other bed. After the first week waking up was a pain in the... back..

After some some with a rolled up mat under my knees my back was aching a little but getting better.. Though when I was doing Kung Fu I didn't have much in the way of back problems. I can't really do that again and there isn't a yoga class anywhere near me (I mean really.. I thought it would be everywhere).

I was wondering if anyone knew of a good book on the subject?

You know, for the longest time I thought I was lazy. Well I used to go the gym a lot (mostly just to stop me getting fat) and then I decided to put more muscle on after coming here. It all went well.. About 8 months ago things started to tail off after two flu like sicknesses in a row. At first I thought I just had a longer tail end of just feeling "Off" and that I would get around to things normally again like doing my martial arts classes four times a week and hitting the gym every day.

Weeks and week and then months of barely doing anything than sitting around at home, trying to pull myself out to do things became harder and I was totally sure that I was being lazy.. But I just felt tired no matter how well I ate or what I tried to do to get myself up. So I ended up going to the doctor who eventually put it down to a digestive bacteria problem.. I'm probably one of the few people in the world that NEED to take pro-biotics now.. Anyway it helped a bit but still I kept feeling tired.. Eventually (again) they found out that I had general adrenal fatigue from being sick and stressed (due to family issues and University work) and that I needed to take real rest and then get back into things.

Think is I've have weeks and week of being.. well I guess biologically lazy now.. I was thinking, do I try and do things slowly or should I force myself into stuff the hard way?

I prefer to not bother labelling anything. Rather than 'i don't eat X' i just say 'i prefer to eat Y' instead.

The immature part of me sniggerd at that. *Cough* Sex joke

Well I'm currently working off Christmas, or I will be as soon as I get over the flu my other half gave me. So this is what I'll be doing.

Up hill walking on a treadmill. I will be putting 14k in the distance and see how far I can make it each day (I can't really run at the moment as my lungs are recovering and my legs are healing though they aren't badly damaged at all, I just can't "pound the track" with them so uphill fast walking is the best option).

Twice a week I will be lifting hard and heavy on a 5x5 compound only lifts. That means squats, deads, shoulder press, chest press.

I'm also thinking of trying intermittent fasting but I'm 50/50 on the information presented so I'll give it a try and if it isn't doing anything or if it's having an adverse effect I'll stop.

Yea I'm not going to throw away a three plus year relationship because I can't get some things through his head

 

But I think you`ve noticed that the second advice is a consensus here:

 

maybe a gift certificate for a session with a trainer or nutritionist might work?

 

Yea I'll have to wait until he moves down here and I can drag him to the gym and throw him towards a personal trainer.

I am a personal trainer and a nutritionist, and I have the same problem with family or close friends listening. Complete strangers are always far more interested in what I have to say. It is a bizarre trait of humans for some reason.

 

My first thought would be to dump him and find someone who respects your opinion, but if that is too drastic, then maybe a gift certificate for a session with a trainer or nutritionist might work?

Yea I'm not going to throw away a three plus year relationship because I can't get some things through his head

Your partner doesn`t need you. He needs professional help, a good nutrition professional or a personal trainer.

If he didn`t listen to you so far, he won`t start listening now.

 

That`s just my 2 cents =)

I know, it just.. Erg how can you tell someone over and over again the right way to do things and then they totally ignore you and then get pissy when what they are doing goes wrong.

I told him that if you're going to skip meals then at least look up intermittent fasting. I prefer to eat but if you're going to do it at least try something structured. Again nothing

Okay I've been having this issue for months now. Originally my partner wouldn't listen to me when it came to weight loss. He was constantly pissed off that he wasn't dropping below 80kg despite working out and so on. I kept telling him to look at measurements and so on and throw the scales away but again, wouldn't listen, just kept bitching every time he got on them.

Now he's dropping down from 80kg to 75kg and I just asked if he has been eating properly and was told that he hasn't been eating lunch for the past few weeks. Now I know he's either going to put all the weight back on or make himself sick in some way but he wont listen to me at all, just comes to me bitching every time something happens or if I try and explain why you shouldn't be skipping food all the time.

What am I going to say, really? It's really getting on my nerves now to the point where I'm just ignoring him all evening when he starts talking about it or he gets so bitchy about being "fat" if I try and say otherwise.

I use My Protein vegan blend, which is a mixture of hemp, rice and pea protein. When I first started taking it I used it in the same quantities as I was whey (2 scoops) and it made my stomach cramp like crazy. I cut this down to half a scoop, and gradually built up to one scoop per smoothie, and the problem disappeared. Maybe give that a try, perhaps your stomach is not used to hemp protein, which can take some getting used to.

I use rice at the moment

Blend them with bananas and maple syrup man! Or try myprotein.co.uk brown rice is my fave!

That's what I used recently, made me vomit. I am not over reacting

I think I've tried every shake on the market apart from one that was loaded with sugar (which tasted nice, obviously) and at first I could stomach the horrible taste. However these days rice, hemp and most soy (unless flavored) shakes just about make me vomit. I just can't keep these things down anymore. Was wondering if anyone has found any alternatives. I'm not much of a breakfast person, I hate eating first thing in the morning so I usually have one then. So if anyone has an alternative I would be very thankful for it

You obviously have a weak immune system. I use to always suffer from the flu and now that I've raised both my Vitamin A and D levels, nothing happens to me when I am near those with the flu.

 

Upping Omega 6 fatty acids from whole foods will also help the immune system.

Well I never get sick with anything else really, just this.