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The below is a documentary and has several parts. Bottomline---this hysteria has mucho denero and control behind it. Take the time and download all of them one by one and then have some desert. Sit back and relax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr25BM3OIg0
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Thanks Ducati. It's interesting what blabbate wrote and am wondering who is WE????? I can already imagine who by WE he means. "That last sentence has nothing to do with the discussion, so I'm going to ignore it. Yes, the unvaccinated person suffers the effects of the disease. The vaccinated person does not. That's the whole point. It's not tricking nature, either. It's using nature. We deliver a controlled, inactive dose of the pathogen to prompt the body's natural response." All that crap that goes into vaccines. Vaccines are population control. Let them vaccinate their kids with all that crap in them. This has nothing to do with science; it's profit---no more no less and who dies or gets terribly ill doesn't play a role.
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I'm Your Man: You will not convince certain lads about this topic in his forum. I am glad you have jumped in because you are 100% correct. Giving a child close to 60 vaccines before they reach 6 years of age is not only crazy, but criminal and the industry (all parties involved) should be charged with negligence and prosecuted to the fullest extent. Certain people can be bought. As you have pointed out Big Pharma has a vested interest in vaccines and certain global families are controlling this. People need to wake up (not only in the U.S.), [though for our sake in the U.S.], stop watching brain-washed bullshit on TV, see the Real World {not through Ameican Idol} and understand what is transpiring in North America. No, this doesn't only apply to vaccines (I guess I am going off on a tangent, but it certainly is a part of this ordeal.) Yes, and I mean Canada as well. Canadian Liberties are being robbed from citizens everyday. WT HELL UP! Ducati, nice graph. Can you link it out?
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I'm Your Man: I totally agree with you. It's just that there are a few "here" who cry wolf and advocate this mass hysteria. It's a joke.
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LETS ALL GET THE SWF VACCINE. MUST HAVE MUST HAVE, OTHERWISE WE ARE ALL SOL.
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Hi DaN, You are right. And that's why I am concluding this thread. I had that same thought way earlier in the back of my mind, but didn't want to address it. Interesting characterization about citing emotions. Cyber-hear and read you around. Be zestful and happy and emotional when need be. Patrick
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Hi veggiceprincess, thanks for the kind words. I reckon Bruce and DV appear to be very touchy on this matter. As I said before, I am not against vaccines, but the crap that is in them. Although many, if not all vaccines are suspect or should be scrutinized to its final drop. According to Bruce, I have not illustrated anything substantial in regards to this topic. Well, if citing several articles and websites, in particular one http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm does not tickle anyone’s mind...well...that's okay. It's okay to be on polar opposites (all I am trying to do is raise a question and not a heated discussion). But I gather Bruce and DV are taking this rather very personally. Who knows why? Makes no difference to me. veggicepriincess, yes you are correct, but I think that's the problem in that these vaccinations are forced on babies. And threatening parents with the notion that their children will not be able to attend school. What a crock. That too me is fishy. In Europe certain insurance companies are even offering people a monetary incentive just to get inoculated. Now, if that isn't strange and not to mention corrupt then I don't know what is. I realize I have now addressed another matter (which I will not discuss here) and that is a financial incentive for the Rx companies and their affiliates. Another aspect: A lot of children contracted measles, mumps or other illnesses well after they have been vaccinated. I'd rather not vaccinate a child, I'd rather have them battle the measles or mumps naturally as youngsters because only then will their immune system be able to defend itself and build immunity against it. Now that is true immunity. It has been written and studied time and time again that vaccinations are not a preventable measure for anything. In fact, many studies (for example take the whooping cough syndrome in Japan) which has been halted for babies who are less than two years old. Before, when babies were vaccinated with the whooping cough, they were dying left and right. Now, the Japanese govt. has insisted that children under the age of two will not receive this vaccine. Only after the 24 or somewhere along 28 months would they be vaccinated. Golly, and the mortality rate of these young children has decreased close to 100%. I am not a doctor or an epidemiologist, but now isn't that interesting? Certainly I'll get a rebuttal by Bruce and/or DV, and that's okay. The argument to inoculate a child with possibly 17 shots before they turn two years old is not only irresponsible, but absolutely insane. Their immune system is not equipped to handle the onslaught. I'm not riding anyone’s (for instance Dr. Balylock's) coat tail, I'm just looking at this logically. To some, this may be illogical, but as I said earlier that's okay and who knows some of us may be right or wrong. But DV mentioned earlier in the thread, that she wouldn't allow her child attend school with some children who have not been vaccinated. There is no merit to her point. And yes I know DV, you will counter by listing a website or a CDC article that states how important it is or how detrimental it could be to a vaccinated child if they come in contact with not vaccinated children. How about drinking from same bottles or biting the same sandwich. Do you think a child can pass illnesses this way? I guess we should just then join the LOST crew and live on an island. Also, to suggest that the GWS is not caused by vaccines is a rather touchy subject, but I would recommend to some why not saunter down to medical facilities where folks come back from unfamiliar territories and see for themselves and actually interview them. How they lost their hair, contracted leukemia, have deformed babies, passed diseases on to their spouses, etc, etc. "Oh it can't be from that." Certainly depleted uranium is not only a major cause for concern, but one of the culprits. This may be a bad analogy, but I'll throw it in there: It's like when tragedy struck in New York on 11 Sept. 01 and the people as well as rescue workers contracted various horrible illnesses from the debris (asbestos, and other crap) and are now left standing with medical bills upon bills and told "oh it can't be from that." This "oh it can't be from that" is the same reasoning a lot of medical professionals mention when they hear concerned parents about the problems their children are experiencing from vaccines. The only problem is is that babies can not talk and if they could they'd probably tell the doctor to stick the needle elsewhere. In any case, this is the last thread for this discussion I am adding, so I'll let Bruce and DV have their final say. veggieprincess: I am sorry to hear the problems your family or friends are suffering with their children. But I would seek other solutions to treating such devastating symptoms. Ritalin, I would definitely look very skeptical toward.
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The five times. Don't know how that happened. My bad. Sorry to all readers. I msut have had a vaccine moment. Wikipedia is not the best of sources. But wouldn't you take an article that had to be pryed via the FOIA as an outside source. There has to be more to that than meets the eye, heh DV?
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DV, I hear a bit of sarcasm in your writing. I was and am not at all offended by your style. As you stated this is an open forum. Absolutely! After all we are all adults, heh? To answer your question whether I am susceptible to autism? No, I am not suscebtible to it, at least I do not think I am. Who knows what will occur down the line to any of us. Nonetheless, throughout this discussion, you have not mentioned anything critical as to what may be the cause for many illnesses children, adolescents as well as adults suffer. What I am gathering in your words regarding the GWS dilemma is that it's "just" something inherently given, or passed down the DNA line. There are just too many facts out there that dilute your point, and I am not only mentioning well known doctors, but also scientists who deal with this day in and day out. The only aspect you are taking into consideration is what the Rx companies are posting. By the way, there are never any independent agencies that conduct independent tests for specific vaccines. They are all driven by the Rx companies. So much for true stats. Plus, not once has there been a test depicting (forget placebos) unvaccinated and vaccinated kids. The Rx companies only "suspect" reactions after a dose of 3 consecutive shots within a given timeperiod. And only then will they suspect possible problems. DV, I am sorry, but citing Wikipedia or any other "inside sponsored" agency does not hold merit. We are on complete opposite ends on this matter, and both of us have a right to view matters the way we choose. Is mine correct? Who knows. Is yours? Who knows? BUt I would definitely not innoculate an individual not knowing how and what the adjuvants may cause in a person. As to injea's linked article, interesting. I try consider the source before reading and disputing/agreeing on anything.
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DV, I hear a bit of sarcasm in your writing. I was and am not at all offended by your style. As you stated this is an open forum. Absolutely! After all we are all adults, heh? To answer your question whether I am susceptible to autism? No, I am not suscebtible to it, at least I do not think I am. Who knows what will occur down the line to any of us. Nonetheless, throughout this discussion, you have not mentioned anything critical as to what may be the cause for many illnesses children, adolescents as well as adults suffer. What I am gathering in your words regarding the GWS dilemma is that it's "just" something inherently given, or passed down the DNA line. There are just too many facts out there that dilute your point, and I am not only mentioning well known doctors, but also scientists who deal with this day in and day out. The only aspect you are taking into consideration is what the Rx companies are posting. By the way, there are never any independent agencies that conduct independent tests for specific vaccines. They are all driven by the Rx companies. So much for true stats. Plus, not once has there been a test depicting (forget placebos) unvaccinated and vaccinated kids. The Rx companies only "suspect" reactions after a dose of 3 consecutive shots within a given timeperiod. And only then will they suspect possible problems. DV, I am sorry, but citing Wikipedia or any other "inside sponsored" agency does not hold merit. We are on complete opposite ends on this matter, and both of us have a right to view matters the way we choose. Is mine correct? Who knows. Is yours? Who knows? BUt I would definitely not innoculate an individual not knowing how and what the adjuvants may cause in a person. As to injea's linked article, interesting. I try consider the source before reading and disputing/agreeing on anything.
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DV, I hear a bit of sarcasm in your writing. I was and am not at all offended by your style. As you stated this is an open forum. Absolutely! After all we are all adults, heh? To answer your question whether I am susceptible to autism? No, I am not suscebtible to it, at least I do not think I am. Who knows what will occur down the line to any of us. Nonetheless, throughout this discussion, you have not mentioned anything critical as to what may be the cause for many illnesses children, adolescents as well as adults suffer. What I am gathering in your words regarding the GWS dilemma is that it's "just" something inherently given, or passed down the DNA line. There are just too many facts out there that dilute your point, and I am not only mentioning well known doctors, but also scientists who deal with this day in and day out. The only aspect you are taking into consideration is what the Rx companies are posting. By the way, there are never any independent agencies that conduct independent tests for specific vaccines. They are all driven by the Rx companies. So much for true stats. Plus, not once has there been a test depicting (forget placebos) unvaccinated and vaccinated kids. The Rx companies only "suspect" reactions after a dose of 3 consecutive shots within a given timeperiod. And only then will they suspect possible problems. DV, I am sorry, but citing Wikipedia or any other "inside sponsored" agency does not hold merit. We are on complete opposite ends on this matter, and both of us have a right to view matters the way we choose. Is mine correct? Who knows. Is yours? Who knows? BUt I would definitely not innoculate an individual not knowing how and what the adjuvants may cause in a person. As to injea's linked article, interesting. I try consider the source before reading anything.
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DV, I hear a bit of sarcasm in your writing. I was and am not at all offended by your style. As you stated this is an open forum. Absolutely! After all we are all adults, heh? To answer your question whether I am susceptible to autism? No, I am not suscebtible to it, at least I do not think I am. Who knows what will occur down the line to any of us. Nonetheless, throughout this discussion, you have not mentioned anything critical as to what may be the cause for many illnesses children, adolescents as well as adults suffer. What I am gathering in your words regarding the GWS dilemma is that it's "just" something inherently given, or passed down the DNA line. There are just too many facts out there that dilute your point, and I am not only mentioning well known doctors, but also scientists who deal with this day in and day out. The only aspect you are taking into consideration is what the Rx companies are posting. By the way, there are never any independent agencies that conduct independent tests for specific vaccines. They are all driven by the Rx companies. So much for true stats. Plus, not once has there been a test depicting (forget placebos) unvaccinated and vaccinated kids. The Rx companies only "suspect" reactions after a dose of 3 consecutive shots within a given timeperiod. And only then will they suspect possible problems. DV, I am sorry, but citing Wikipedia or any other "inside sponsored" agency does not hold merit. We are on complete opposite ends on this matter, and both of us have a right to view matters the way we choose. Is mine correct? Who knows. Is yours? Who knows? BUt I would definitely not innoculate an individual not knowing how and what the adjuvants may cause in a person. As to injea's linked article, interesting. I try consider the source before reading anything.
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DV, I hear a bit of sarcasm in your writing. I was and am not at all offended by your style. As you stated this is an open forum. Absolutely! After all we are all adults, heh? To answer your question whether I am susceptible to autism? No, I am not suscebtible to it, at least I do not think I am. Who knows what will occur down the line to any of us. Nonetheless, throughout this discussion, you have not mentioned anything critical as to what may be the cause for many illnesses children, adolescents as well as adults suffer. What I am gathering in your words regarding the GWS dilemma is that it's "just" something inherently given, or passed down the DNA line. There are just too many facts out there that dilute your point, and I am not only mentioning well known doctors, but also scientists who deal with this day in and day out. The only aspect you are taking into consideration is what the Rx companies are posting. By the way, there are never any independent agencies that conduct independent tests for specific vaccines. They are all driven by the Rx companies. So much for true stats. Plus, not once has there been a test depicting (forget placebos) unvaccinated and vaccinated kids. The Rx companies only "suspect" reactions after a dose of 3 consecutive shots within a given timeperiod. And only then will they suspect possible problems. DV, I am sorry, but citing Wikipedia or any other "inside sponsored" agency does not hold merit. We are on complete opposite ends on this matter, and both of us have a right to view matters the way we choose. Is mine correct? Who knows. Is yours? Who knows? BUt I would definitely not innoculate an individual not knowing how and what the adjuvants may cause in a person. As to injea's linked article, interesting. I try consider the source before anything.
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DV, I don't have to inhabit another planet. I'm content where I am. I'm definitely not going to get into a written argument here. Your views are different than mine. That's ok. But I think you are viweing it very subjectively. You keep refering back to the Soviet Union and have not substantiated any untruths, just written manutia. In any case, MSG, aspartame, adjuvants in vaccines, (by the way there is a difference between ethylmercury & methylmercury). You are referring to fish eaters. As I said before I am not against vaccines if they are clean with no crap adjuvants. But I am definitely against vaccinating children with double-digit vaccines before their immunity and brains develop, paticularly with thimerosal, aluminum, fomaldehyde, eggwhite proteins, etc. etc.. I guess the articles haven't told you anything. Maybe another link you could look at and see the cause and effect this stuff does. http://www.thinktwice.com/ That's all I am saying to this subject . We could be going (and probably would be going 'round and 'round) and be chasing our own tails like a puppy.
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Hi Dan, yeah I just didn't bother answering it. I meant the conversation to be informative. That's all. But regarding MSG, aspartame and other hidden gluatmates, I would read up on it if I were you. Patrick
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Hi DV, We would definitely have an interesting conversation. No doubt about that. Certainly, it would be better to discuss this topic in another way aside from here. I had a sense that you are viewing it from an epidemiological perspective. That's great, really is. I am not a Dr., by any means, although I love to read scientific journals, etc. But I have seen first hand what Anthrax causes. It's horrifying. It's interesting to note that many of America's men and women who are overseas in unfamiliar territory come home sick after being injected multiple vaccines, (as high as 20 vaccines within a short, short period of time) and then get denied treatment and are kicked to the curb like a rag. And then they are told it is psychosomatic. We both have seen bad things happen in life. As I stated earlier, I am not necessarily opposed to vaccinations, but am 100% opposed to the adjuvants in those vaccines. You can not deny the fact (I sure hope you don't, if you do please inform yourself more regarding these substances) that these adjuvants are highly toxic substances which alter human behavior and suppress a person's immunity. There are many personal stories out there and I could send you tons of links describing the pain and suffering babies, adolescents and adults go through. Do you really believe that it's wise to innoculate a child with 25 vaccines before they turn 2 years old. I hope you don't. Take Care Beneath is a link that leads to many discussions about our topic of discussion. Stay well. Patrick http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccine_support_org.htm
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DV, I would be interested to read your views with which ideas you see as being "outright untruths" and while some are intriguing? Thanks Patrick
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DV, I hear what you are saying, but do not agree with you. That's like saying you wouldn't allow your children to play with HIV infected children, or swim in a pool, etc. etc. As for the Polio epdemic, it has been stated time and time again that Polio became more serious of an issue during times of actual vaccinations against the illness. As for diphterie, it has mainly to do with sanitary, ie. unsanitary conditions. But that would be too long of an explanation here. By the way, I am not saying get rid of vaccines, the mere fat of the adjuvants within the vaccines are causing a tremendous illness. The Formaldehyde, Aluminium, Mercury. These are horrible toxins. Do you know how many children have been unnecessarily exposed and have lifelong compications? How is then that explained? Regarding GWS, do you know how many people have died or have suffered leukemia and other horrible illnesses from such vaccinations? Too many. By the way, he is not the only person who has stated this. Do a search on Dr. Buchwald. http://www.vran.org/vaccines/doctors/blaylock-covup.htm
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DV, I agree with you are saying, in particualr in this day and age. I have read a lot about him, but agree with many areas, in particular with the dangers of vaccinations. Patrick
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http://www.naturalnews.com/020550.html
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Anastasia, whatever you do, don't have him take Cortisone as a form of treatment.
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Thanks Tuc. I wasn't aware who Weston was or is. I always take articles like this and scrutinize them. I just wanted another persons view on this article. I realize that too much of one thing isn't good either, but I was suspicious of the article's blatant BS with no merit to stand on. Take Care Patrick
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Hello guys, what do you think of this article? http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/3/6/weston-a-price-foundation-to-fda-soy-is-no-health-food.aspx Patrick
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Hi all, this is a very interesting article pertaining to doping and how it most likely will change the world of sports and athletes' drive toward perfection and success. http://fig.cox.miami.edu/~cmallery/113/muscle.cell.pdf Just copy and paste the URL into your web browser. Patrick
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I agree with VP 100%. It's BS to say you are only 80% Vegan or whatever. Either you are or you aren't. Period. I also believe these folks at many University's worldwide are paid by coporations and various agencies to denigrate "alternative" lifestyles. I definitely do not consider being vegetarian or vegan an alternative lifestyle, but the vast poulace does. It's like the Milk industry. What a Lobby behind that crock of crap. When in fact Milk and dairy is the worst you can drink or eat. The article or these comments place veganism or vegetarianism into the wrong light. I mean not all advertising is good advertising. I think people are so manipulated and brainwashed into believing what the "big" guns say that they just become lame sheep. How can this chcik say that you have to be committed to get sufficient amount of protein or iron or calcium. Give me break! A person can get more protein and calcium in Tofu than when eating a steak. And iron: Please, what a stupid thing to say. How about spinach, kale, and other veggies. Tom Cruise needs to have a chat with her and gie her an "assist".