Vegans bashing Vegans - Intelligent Debate/Conversation in General Discussion Posted December 7, 2007 I just wanted to chime in to say that what drew me to this discussion forum was also the fact that it seemed generally free from the (in my opinion) ridiculous flaming, arguing, and judging of other vegans I saw on every other vegan message board I visited. I won't name websites, but I was seriously turned off by the prevailing attitude (usually backed up/encouraged by the site admins/owners/moderators) on some of these websites. Here I was naively thinking I was going to find a community of like-minded folks who are working to make the world a better place, when all I found were people sniping, judging, and alienating other groups/people that, when compared to mainstream western society, they agreed with more than they disagreed with. Attempting to point this out or encourage some solidarity was nearly always completely and utterly a waste of time. And this is what it boils down to, for me... solidarity. The reality of the situation is that, like it or not, we're INCREDIBLY and UTTERLY outnumbered, out-financed, and out-maneuvered. To my mind, it is the height of self-destructiveness (as a movement) to then start alienating potential allies. So PETA does some shit that pisses a lot of vegans off. Great, I can sympathize with that. Let's acknowledge that and try to change PETA, rather than sit around complaining about them and undermining everything they do. Cuz the bottom line is that while PETA is not perfect, they are not our enemies. It's called solidarity. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. There will be plenty of time for criticizing and purging (that's a strong word, but to me it feels like what is sometimes advocated on these other forums) the movement once 98.4% of the population is vegan, rather than 1.6%. In the meantime, it is suicidal to not at least present a united front, in solidarity, even if we criticize or have issues with a group or person in private. When you're up against such overwhelming odds like we are, it is completely irresponsible to alienate ANY potential ally, no matter the differences you may have with them. We will never, and I mean NEVER, spread veganism into mainstream culture if we can't stick together when it matters. For this reason, I've often found myself believing that those vegan purists on other forums who angrily tear down those who don't see things their way and refuse to act in solidarity do more to harm animals than the people they're criticizing. Their actions do more to harm the movement and thus slow down the spread of veganism to mainstream culture than anything the meat industry/government could think up.