Renecarol25

ditto for that - it has got to be better to support vegan options. Everyone where I work seems to be so contientious about what they eat... I had someone say they were boycotting KFC the other day - and I thought well if you eat taco bell your money goes to the same place. But they weren't being all 'well KFC is cruel' or anything.. just don't like the local KFC workers. I was almost impressed by the statement.. oh well. I support veg food when I can.. not enough veg restaurants around.

I'm sorry but if they have a "vegetarian section" on the menu then those dishes shouldn't be cooked in CHICKEN broth in the first place. Come on!

Whenever I go to a Taco Bell and ask for a "bean burrito with out cheese" they repeat the order back to me - "you want a bean burrito with no beans." Somedays I want to say yes just to see what they would give me.... but that'd be a waste of cheese because I wouldn't eat it.

that's the same weekend as the pump n run.. I don't even know how far away Charlottesville is either. I will definitely trek back up to the Richmond one again next year though. Renee

DB Bench Press 3 x 10 x 40# DB Incline Bench 3 x 10 x 35# DB Decline Bench 3 x 10 x 25/30/25# DB Decline Flyes 3 x 10 x 15# DB Shoulder Press 3 x 8 x 20# DB Front Raises 3 x 8 x 12# ... and 20 push ups:) I mentally drained myself thinking about trying to get in shape to register for a fall pump n run.. its a possibility.

It says they are donating foods like cereals and supplies like bath soap. I imagine they would have to donate pantry type items like canned foods, grains, rice, beans. It probably won't all be vegan but most food banks aren't. Its not like they are loading up trucks with a bunch of yogurt to ship to starving kids. I'm not eating any yogurt (well except soy yoghurt) but I don't see the hurt in clicking on the button so a dairy company can donate some of its blood money to buying cereal for impoverished children. Renee

- not a tongue sticking out but more of a tongue hanging out. I did about 40 minutes of Spin class - I can't get to the rink until about 15 minutes after the monday class starts and then I have to change clothes. The last ten minutes of class we did some weights and ab exercises. I did a bunch of shoulder presses, lat raises, front raises with light (6#) weights. And did all that before my Torso Pull workout. I did my 20 pushups.. I was exhausted from Spin - wanted to just go home but I figured I'd do my regular Monday workout and take it easy with weight/reps Lat Pull 3 x 10 x 70# Upright Row 3 x 10 x 15# Seated Row 3 x 10 x 70# Lateral Raises 3 x 10 x 12# Shrugs 3 x 10 x 50# DB Lying One Arm Row 3 x 10 x 20# DB Lying Lateral Raises 2 x 8 x 8#

I also bought Erik's book "Meat Market' and made it thru the first chapter and a half already. Renee http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0975867911/ref%3Dnosim/vegancom/103-2750654-6914255

here's another one from a while ago... http://www.nydailynews.com/09-07-2004/news/crime_file/story/229622p-197218c.html

Going to the Veggie Festival tomorrow so my Saturday workout will have to be postponed. My daughter was sick yesterday so I did my Thursday workout today.. such is life. Legs and Arms Pull DB SLDL 3 x 5 x 40/55/65# DB SA Bicep Curls 3 x 8 x 25/30/30# (did a 4th set at the end of my workout but could only do 5 reps - my forearms were aching) Standing Leg Curls 3 x 10 x 60/65/70# Hip Abduction cm 2 x 10 x 35# Cable Curls m 3 x 8 x 70/75/80# Decline Situps 2 x 25 Cable Reverse Curls 3 x 10 x 60/65/60# DB Wrist Curls 3 x 8 x 25# DB Reverse Wrist Curls 3 x 8 x 12# DB Side Bends 3 x 10 x 35#

I live a fairly sheltered existance in that I don't know of any women who go hunting.. come to think of it if any of my aquaintences went hunting or fishing they'd have the good bit of knowledge to keep that to themselves. My mom does fish - but she doesn't hurt the fish because she always 'puts them back its not like they die or anything' and she knows how I feel about that. Sticking hooks in their jaws doesn't exactly feel good. Luckily for me my dad is very anti-fishing. For the most part I try to co-mingle with like minded people. I work in IT and most people have dilbert or other office/ IT type stuff up on their walls. My walls are decorated with my daughter's artwork and figure skating stuff. Oh and a 'Bush-Cheney 04 we can detain you, you know?' poster. sweet.

Are women actually impressed by hunting and fishing? And how big an animal some idiot kills is? As a woman I can't imagine anyone being but then I can't imagine why anyone would want to kill animals and eat/wear them either.

I guess they look about the same size but Rob looks more attractive.

I'll join for 20 push ups a day. I won't do more than that since I have to lift and recovery and stuff. But 20 would be easy a few minutes out of my life a day for some discipline.

hey Rob can you post a food log as well. I'm trying to eat better and seem to be messing up seriously.. I've gained back the 5 pounds I had lost switching gyms and 3 more. I feel like I need to 'feed' my muscles. I'm really struggling with that.

to me you look bigger than Dorian Yates... bigger than most of the people in those photos. Must be a trick of the camera then eh

You know Rob I think you have a better body than all those guys! I do reverse cable curls to work the big muscle in my forearms (Brachioradialis) and wrist curls/reverse wrist curls to work the wrist flexor and extensor muscles (which are several smaller muscles each). For anybody who doesn't know;) My forearms are only about 11 inches though..

Thanks Rob for the great words of encouragement. I wanted to get out and run today but the temperature was 112 - I think the heat index adds about ten degrees to the actual temperature. So no outside running for me. I did skate fast (well fast for me my daughter and little figure skating friends were like 'we can skate faster than you' well duh!). DB Bench Press 3 x 10 x 40# DB Incline Bench 3 x 10 x 35# DB Decline Flyes 3 x 10 x 15# DB Decline Bench 3 x 10 x 25# DB Shoulder Press 3 x 10 x 20# DB Lateral Raises 3 x 10 x 12#

Squat 3 x 8 x 135# Single Leg Split Squat 3 x 8 x 30# Leg Press m 2 x 10 x 250# Calf Press m 2 x 10 x 250# Hip Adduction 2 x 10 x 35# (did part of the workout I ended up skipping on saturday today didn't do tris as I didn't want that affecting my benches tomorrow) Lat Pull 3 x 10 x 90# DB Upright Row 3 x 10 x 20# DB Lateral Raises 3 x 10 x 12# DB Shrugs 3 x 10 x 55# DB Lying Incline Row 2 x 10 x 20# DB Lying Lateral Raise 2 x 10 x 12# Seated Row m 3 x 10 x 80# Was going to do a spin class today but all the bikes were taken.. but my lifting was tough enough on me no way I could've done it after a spin class.

workout done Friday the 22nd instead of Thursday the 21st. I got new skates and skated Thursday for 1.5 hours instead of lifting. I'm going to skate and do my legs & arms push workout today.. decided not to do Spin this morning and slept in. Legs and Arms Pull DB SLDL 3 x 5 x 35/50/65# (65s felt very heavy) DB SA Bicep Curls 3 x 8 x 25# Standing Leg Curls 3 x 10 x 55/60/65# Hip Abduction 2 x 10 x 30# DB Preacher Curls 3 x 8 x 25# Decline Situps 3 x 20 Cable Reverse Curls cm 3 x 10 x 60# Kneeling Crunch cm 3 x 15 x 80/90/100# DB Wrist Curls 3 x 10 x 12# (try 15s next time) DB Reverse Wrist Curls 3 x 10 x 8# (try 10s next time) DB Side Bends 3 x 10 x 35#

Just spin class today. I'm thinking of doing 1 1/2 spin classes on Wednesdays.

How tall are you? just curious.. also I can't see your second 'fat' picture. I want to get some more pics of myself up on the 'WIP' page of veganbodybuilding.org hopefully in the next couple of weeks. Or maybe I can get someone to shoot some of me doing arms and legs pull on thursday. Renee

Today is a fine example of why this log is called my 'weak@ss log' on the other board. I decided to do a 4 day split push pull workout. Since my daughter is having a sleepover tomorrow I did Day A & B together tonight. I'll do C on Thursday and D on Saturday. I really struggled a lot with it. I did B day first and A day second. I only did 2 sets of some exercises to compensate for doing two days worth and I skipped a couple of exercises. Enough background... Day B Torso Push DB Flat Bench 3 x 10 x 40# DB Incline Bench 2 x 8 x 35# DB Decline Flyes 2 x 10 x 20# DB Decline Bench 2 x 10 x 25# (the further in my workout the weaker my chest seemed to be) DB ShoulderPress 2 x 10 x 20# DB Front Raises 2 x 10 x 10# Day A Torso Pull Lat Pull 3 x 8 x 90# DB Upright Row 3 x 8 x 20# DB Lateral Raises 2 x 8 x 15# DB Shrugs 3 x 10 x 55# DB LyingIncline Row 2 x 10 x 20/25# DB LyingIncline Lateral Raise 2 x 10 x 10# Seated Row m 3 x 8 x 80#

Like I said so far so good. The first class was much easier than I was expecting.. so I suspect I may have had a bit of beginner's luck. The second class was much much harder and I'm betting from now on they will be that way. I guess I will get used to the new schedule. Two days of upperbody, two days of lower body and two days of spin plus whatever swimming and skating I do. I'm already feeling an improvement in my overall health /fitness. Plus I am getting to share some of my knowledge of body sculpting with others. And I have a friend at work who asked me about being vegetarian.. so I gave him a copy of Why Vegan and Vegan Starter Pack. And I am going to go through my books and see what I have that I can loan. I'm thinking "Diet for a New America" and maybe "sexual politics of meat" but that may not be appropriate to give a man. Or maybe I've given too much? what do you think? I'm not used to people asking me why i'm veg*n.. I pretty much keep to myself about my beliefs and stuff.

Did one hour of SPIN class. Much harder than the first class I did.. I really didn't think I'd last the whole hour but somehow I managed and then did my lower body workout. BB Squat 3 x 8 x 135# DB Deadlifts 3 x 5 x 35/50/65# Standing Hamstring Curls cm 3 x 10 x 55/60/65# Calf Press 3 x 10 x 250# DB Single Leg Split Squat 1 x 8 x 30# (wanted to do three sets but was just exhausted by this point gave out at 4 reps of my second set and called it a day)