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  1. Slight update:

     

    Haven't worked out for about 4 weeks due to domestic circumstances. Weight is consistent at 80-85 kg. It appears I've lost some muscle mass in my upper body area and I'm pretty sure strength too.

     

    I'm still vegetarian, almost 4 months into it. Have been bumps on the road and moral setbacks, but have as of yet not ingested meat of any kind. Still eat dairy and eggs but in total makes up a very small part of my diet and I practically never drink milk or eat dairy/eggs on their own.

  2. Maybe you think too much? When I follow your postings especially in the "Personal Relations"-section I get the impression, your heart is not in veganism

     

    I don't know why you would say that or why you would refer to posts made in a private section for members only- in a public thread. The rest of your post did however consist of completely valid points, so thanks for that- gave me food for thought.

     

     

    Anyway I will be taking a break from this forum. Thanks to all of those contributed positively, not just in this thread but in all other threads as well.

  3. I don't understand how you can criticize the vegan diet, saying you can't find the nutrition and feeling of satisfaction that you want - then when you drop veganism, you eat pizza, chocolate and cake

     

    Well obviously those are not the only things I eat but I like to have the freedom to eat tasty unhealthy stuff and when I go without those treats for too long, I start twitching and eventually end up compensating heavily (and gaining weight in the process). If I could find vegan alternatives (other than falafel engulfed in meat fat or shitty subway sandwiches), i.e. vegan junk in my local area, I'd chose those over non vegan junk in a heart beat. Another thing that hasn't been mentioned here is the extreme price difference in vegan junk vs non vegan junk. You'd think veggies were cheaper than meat and dairy, but vegan junk is up to 7 times as expensive and at least 4 times as expensive as non vegan junk. Unfortunately I don't have an unrestricted budget, so I have to count that in as well when needing to comfort eat.

     

     

    I'd understand if you were eating some kind of lean meats, chicken, or even whey protein powder or something. But to go onto junk food, after you talk about nutrition, doesn't make sense to me.

     

    Well one can eat unhealthy and still be well nourished, just a matter of how many cheat meals you have in addition to the healthy food you eat. And I "recanted" from veganism... Not vegetarianism. There's still a huge leap from vegetarianism to omnivorism. Had I not cared (sufficiently) about animals I probably would be eating grilled steak, chicken breast, turkey and tuna right now. I would be eating leaner and taking in more protein, that's for sure - not so much because it is lean, but because I naturally love the taste of the aforementioned meats and used to eat quite a lot of chicken breast whether on cut or bulk.

     

    But the thought of going back to eating meat is so demoralising that if I did it, I think I might end up with some kind of depression... So I'd rather not test my emotional health for the time being, my life is pretty hectic as it is...

     

    Anyway I was tempted quite a lot today, but twice managed to steer away from non vegan food and ended up burning some money on vegan junk instead (was down town). I think I'll just take it one day at a time and try to appreciate the moment. I still have veganism as an ideal. Hopefully, once I have a functional fridge and my kitchen is fully done up, I can buy unprocessed food and store it properly as well as prepare my own food in the oven. If I start whining after that, then I'd indeed be dishonest to my vegan ideals.

     

     

     

    it's hard to give up foods when you're still attached to them,perhaps similar to (but not as extreme as) quitting smoking for some people

     

     

    In my case I'd say it is equivalent to quitting smoking. Some people smoke weed, drink, sleep around or whatever to alleviate stress... I "just" eat, seeing as I'm too much of a "prude" to engage in anything more severe than that, not to mention I hate the taste of alcohol... Wish I could think away my Asthma and maybe develop a liking for weed to take off the edge instead of food lol.

     

     

    ]my best advice would be to try to develop a mental distaste for the chocolate/cakes/whatever you want to get rid of, avoid those foods, then never look back-

     

    You know you're right. I mean mental distaste for meat is the reason I've "degenerated" to vegetarianism as opposed to omnivorism. And to be honest I have a mental distaste for dairy as well and even more so for eggs, it's just that it is not sufficiently heinous (in comparison to eating animal carcasses) for me to mentally recant from and often a time the other ingredients in a given food/sweet will numb the taste of eggs or butter, that I can sort of block it out, if that makes sense? Can't say the same for cheese though, I like the pure taste of cheese, which is weird because up until I was a young teenager I actually despised it unless it was on pizza.

     

    You are right though, this is most likely due to a fundamental lack of self-care... I should care more, or rather care sufficiently about the well being of my body to be eating better and more clean. Sometimes I brag about how I eat for 3 people but work out for 4 (really it's just a defence mechanism) and a regular at the gym said something that really made me think... He told me I'm abusing my body and should instead just be eating and working out for 1 person. I guess moderation is the key for me... As far as eggs/dairy products go, I have to - somehow- enlist them on my "no-go-whatever-the-case" mental scheme. As a kid, visualising eggs coming out of a hen's beep, would do the trick... Perhaps Is should go back to my infantile imaginations :-P

  4. That's rather judgemental and unfair. I haven't been dishonest, in fact I've openly admitted my cravings and difficulties on this diet. I've also been honest about my current life circumstances and yes external factors do affect my will power. This hasn't been an easy adjustment by any means, but having low mental energy definitely only exacerbates matter. With all of this in mind, veganism ends up becoming an austere way of life...for me. This may not make sense to you, which just means you have a very strong willpower and don't let external or internal factors affect you and that's good for you. I'm just not there yet. That is not the same as being dishonest.

  5. I don't know I guess it's just the combination of a hectic home situation, nomadic life-style exam prep and coming to find out who your friends are in tough situations, that have made me seek comfort in ease and food/sweets I've always loved. Chocolate, cake, pizza and all that, don't talk back.. don't give you crap or ambiguous promises, it's solace on mostly hectic/shitty days. I do this to the detriment of my body, so ity's not completely consequence free and I've gained a lot of weight too... Fuck I just need to join a convent... Postmodern life is fucked up and so are postmodern people. Now if only there existed monasteries for non-religious non-theistic people

  6. @ Vegan Essentials... I think we're very much on the same page... After a couple of years of working out and give or take 6 months in bodybuilding, I've realised I'm too greedy to just want aesthetics... I want strength as well which is why I might very likely sign up in a power lifting gym. I've also come to accept that I might become a little smaller, which is something I've really been apprehensive about, because I like the bulky muscular look (just wish it didn't come with 25% fat lol). but yeah the more you want, the more patient you have to be.

  7. Veganism isn't easy... In fact it's quite difficult.... I can't be with friends for longer periods of time because I eventually get hungry and need something to eat and can't just live off of cucumbers and apples or other raw veggies/fruits.... I can't live off of nuts and bread either and up a fatso. and that's if the grocery shops/convenient stores are even open at the time I get hungry when I'm out chillin with friends.

     

    I want FOOD... Real food that makes me feel full, and vegetables don't... Not in their raw un-spiced off-the-grocery-shelf state. Not that vegan food can't taste good, it can taste fucking awesome, but all of this requires time, planning ahead and bringing with you your own food wherever you go, especially if you're out with friends all day/evening/night. OR that there are vegan restaurants/take away places, which there aren't where I live... And falafels/subway sandwiches are just so damn demotivating and in no way nutritional, if anything I just end up becoming hungrier, because it cardboard food.

     

    I can't live like this, it's depressing... It's weakening (because I'm malnutritioned).

     

    So yeah I've fallen back to vegetarianism with my crappy eggs and crappy cheese/dairy products (which I'm intolerant to). This feels like such a failure morally and health wise. But the city I live in just isn't cut out for vegans, at best maybe vegetarians and even then it's difficult. I've even considered going back to meat. Fortunately I'm too disgusted by the thought of meat that I'll hopefully never cross the bridge again but I'm feeling really weak at the moment, so I can't for sure say that it won't happen (although I truly hope it doesn't).

     

     

    Given my situation and circumstances I find that vegetarianism is manageable, but veganism is asceticism and I'm not an ascetic.

     

    I love the idea of veganism... I guess that's the problem... It's an ideal for me... Not a viable practise.... I hate this set back.

     

    I don't know why I'm writing this here... Eventually it all falls back to myself...

  8. Muchidna- I definitely think that having a few years (in your case maybe a decade +) in the luggage as a veggie helps keep the urges in check, so I'm hoping with time that these cravings will become more and more weak. For the time being though it is difficult for me. I'm having all these dreams where I wake up the next morning *still* tasting meat! I think I'm at the point where *morally* I'm way pass wanting to eat meat again but like with any (ab)user I'm suffering from withdrawals (cravings). And while I realise that it started the other way around for a lot (i.e. distaste for meat followed by moral conviction not to consume slaughtered living beings), for me it started with moral disgust - hopefully the physical disgust will follow soon enough.

  9. thanks, will use, btw how did you class things as "protein rich"?

     

    That's a very valid question I unfortunately forgot to address in my original post. I have classified the protein richness of a given vegetable, by looking at the amount (grams) of protein per 100 grams in relation to a given items total kcal.

     

    One could also classify it by looking at the amount of protein calories per 100 grams of food in relation to the amount of kcal, but the reason I did it the other way is because in my original cut diet, I chose to focus on how many grams of protein I nee/day (170 grams) and adjusted my total calorie intake/day in accord with my physical needs and not any kind of desired weight (I don't have a desired weight, I have a desired fat percent).

     

     

    hi again, i've created a spreadsheet of all the data in your thing, and uploaded it on google drive

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing

    - i hope links are OK to docs

     

     

    That's awesome Muchidna, you rock!

     

     

    few technical things:

    the calories didnt seem to match up with the macros exactly, usually like 10% off or less, so i calculated the calories based on carbs*4 + protein*4 + fat*9 (can someone tell me if this is correct)

     

    You're absolutely right, I noticed this as well and corrected a few items (which is why I inserted the cross reference link) but didn't do a complete check, because I didn't have time. Also the thing about nutrition values is that they are never completely correct but only approximates, so there will always be an error variance, but 10 % is still a lot The ones I corrected deviated by 30-40 % which is why I felt obliged to correct the most atrocious error variances (they were too clear for me to ignore lol).

     

    And yes you're right carbs= 4 kcal/g, same thing for protein and fat= 9 kcal/g.

     

     

    other than that, it's sorted by the calculated protein/calorie value

    if you see any mistakes lemme know please

     

    So just to be sure we're on the same page you've derived the protein percentage by calculating the amount of protein calories in relation to a given items total calories, no?

     

    aspirant hope you dont mind me using your data, all credit goes to your research

     

     

    Not at all, I this *should* be a collective research, the more brains, the more (structured) info, the more manageable grocery shopping, the easier life is as a vegan lol.

     

     

    just a couple more things i might add the my spreadsheet

    alfalfa sprouts

    mushrooms

    alfalfa is something like 34% incomplete proteins, and mushrooms are loaded also

     

     

    Please do add

     

     

    edit: why exactly are legumes bad anyway? high carb content? might still be useful to add them to the list for comparison

     

    Not bad at all, I actually love them.... My stomach doesn't thought, not always anyway. And yeah high carbs too lol. I noticed quite a few in here have a hard time digesting legumes, so hopefully they'll benefit from this as well.

     

    I have made a different list in the past which might be helpful to some. It's a list of fruits and legumes, sorted by lowest to highest calories. So in a food situation where you have to choose from some different fruits, or choose between some different legumes, and you are worried about calories, then you just choose something higher up on the list! Some foods are bolded due to having a high calorie content per 100g, indicating that they are foods to watch out for!

     

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing

     

    Thank you Fallen, that's very useful, I was about to embark on a similar project, but you just saved me a couple of hours I can use for back day later this afternoon haha :-P

  10. Updated to here. Nice work BNB!

     

    I cry whenever I curl a 10kg dumbbell. Tears of shame, that is...

     

    I doubt that Asp :-P You look like a 20 kilo'er easy

     

    Never to mock anyone for whom that is a truly challenging weight, really. I've seen it in commercial gyms though, and I always think to myself "WTF?"

     

    I wholeheartedly agree, but come on... All that juice and iron muscle and you're crying for doing (drop sets) with 10 kg?!! Man I'd even mock myself at that weight lol

  11. Thanks for the video MF! Yeah nothing's worse than failing flamboyantly haha. A guy I know once heard this big juiced up guy- literally- cry while doing dumbbell preacher curls. Curious to know what he was lifting he went up to him, only to discover he was curling a 10 kg dumbbell rofl! I mean he might have had his reasons (muscle exhaustion, failure reps yada yada) but come on?! Even *i* wouldn't cry for curling a 10 kg dumbbell (I don't even warm up with that lol).

  12. Nice poster, think I'll highlight it on FB haha.

     

    PS: As you requested, I will make this thread a sticky in this section of the forum.

     

    Well I already have it saved myself, so hopefully I won't be looking for it But I have noticed that quite a few here suffer from ingesting (too many) legumes. So I hope it can be of some help. I know I'll be including more Arugula, Asparagus, Spinach and Collar and Mustard greens in my diet

  13. My squats are definitely held back by my back being weaker than my quads/glutes. I also get a lot more nervous with weight on my back than I do just pulling, so I'm more likely to go heavier with a DL than I am with a squat because I train alone and never have a spotter. I'm also just finding that I really, really like to deadlift. If I do a leg press, though, I can get those numbers way further up. Just doesn't translate to the squat as much as I'd like. Oh well, safety first!

     

    That's funny, I'd think that people who did better in DL than squat had significantly more strength in upper body than people who had it the other way around. I do understand your line of reasoning though but somehow I just find squats more manageable than (especially conventional) squats. Maybe it's because I have relative short arms? I don't know.

     

    But MF is right it's just as much a question of psyche as it is strength. I still won't go heavy (well really heavy) because of mental barriers. But if I could let go of them, I think I could have a max at around 120 kg, maybe 130 kg. Same thing with bench. Body-building/strength training isn't just about pumping lol.

     

    Make use of the safety bars if you do your squatting in a rack, they're invaluable for those of us that train alone. They have saved me many times, just make sure you set them to the right height to catch the bar if you get stuck at the bottom

     

    So do you just adjust them to where your deepest low in a squat position is? And how would you technically get out of that pickle? Would you just let it roll over your head onto the safety bars at the sides? Or..? I think this piece of information might encourage me to go heavier and maybe get through some of the mental barriers that are currently inhibiting me from lifting what I'd like to be lifting by now.

  14. That's a good point- thanks for the tip Richard! Will havd that in mind for future research. The vegetables I've marked as the most protein rich are however also amongst the lowest in total kcal (had that in the back of my mind as well, 2000 kcal/day is like half of my usual daily intake, so can't afford to be careless meh).

  15. Hey all

     

    I don't know if this has already been posted somewhere, but I looked for a clear and manageable list containing the basic nutrition value per 100 g/(non-legume)vegetables and couldn't find one. So I made one myself. Here's an easy nutrition value list of 100 + non-legume vegetables of which the most protein rich have been marked with light green. Since I can't add pdf, word or any other type of files except jpeg, I've uploaded it for you to download at:

     

    http://www.speedyshare.com/r36Wz/Most-p ... tables.pdf

  16. Muchidna, thank you for the good tips!

     

    I looked for a clear and manageable list containing the basic nutrion value pr 100 g/vegetables and couldn't find one. So I made one myself. Here's an easy nutrition value list of 100 + vegetables of which the most protein rich have been marked with light green. Since I can't add pdf, word or any other type of files except jpeg, I've uploaded it for you to download at :

     

    http://www.speedyshare.com/r36Wz/Most-protein-rich-vegetables.pdf

  17. Back day

     

    Very quick warm-up: 1 min running at 16 kmp on treadmill

     

     

    Conventional deadlift:

    20 kg: 12 reps

    25 kg: 12 reps

    30 kg: 12 reps

    35 kg: reps

     

    ^^ Sheer technique work out and no real resistance involved. I've been avoiding conventional deadlifts in favour of stiff leg deadlifts because I tend to arch on my upper back in the conventional version, when going down with the weight. This is due to a mixture of inadequate technique and lack of strength in upper back. I hate working with p*ssy weights, so I just have to keep reminding myself "form over ego".

     

     

    Bent over barbell:

    30 kg: 12 reps

    35 kg: 12 reps

    40 kg: 12 reps

    45 kg: 10 reps

     

     

    Dumbbell rows:

     

    16 kg: 12 reps

    18 kg: 12 reps

    20 kg: 12 reps

    22 kg: 10 reps

    24 kg: 2x 6 reps

     

     

     

    Lateral cable pull down:

    40 kg: 12 reps

    40 kg: (8 reps followed by 4 reps of 35 kg) x 3

     

     

    Seated cable pull with narrow grip:

    4 x 12 at 25 kg

     

    Really have to step my game up on this on... At one point I could do 55 kg! This less than half, sad sad sad! On the other hand better than nothing and gives me opportunity to perfect my technique, but ughh it's still annoying!

  18. Wow. I am both excited and saddened when I hear those of you saying that you never crave it (meat, dairy etc.). Excited because it gives me hope that one day I might reach the same stage you're at and sad because I am not as evolved. Hopefully with time it will come.

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