sweet.sarah

DV I'm sorry if your post made me feel like an idiot. I realize now that it was not your intention, I'm just very sensitive to that. My apologies if you felt insulted by my reply. Thanks

Door number 2. Nutritionists are notorious for not learning anything once they are out of school and they start off with information years out of date in school. Jack Norris is a vegan RD, his site is veganhealth.org. If you contact him he may have information for finding a veg friendly nutritionist in your area. Most vegan nutrition experts if you contact them will contact you back so you have nothing to lose by asking for a referral. A nutritionist who doesn't know veg*n nutrition will likely not give you reliable information. If they do, they are likely just to go out and read a book you could have read for yourself -- for a lot less money. To that end you may want to read this: http://veganbodybuilding.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13710 Thanks for your time. I'm gonna check Jack Norris' site. Since I'm from Argentina, I think I'm not going to have much luck with the veg friendly nutritionist recommendation in my area but I'll give it a try. As you said, I have nothing to lose. Thanks again.

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I think I'll try one more time and see how it goes. I'm seeing a dietician this time. I was told that they are a better choice when it comes to making diets (of course) for athletes, for example. And they have diets for just about anything... the vegetarian part complicates things a bit BUT that is solely what they do. Also diets for people who have medical conditions that require it. When you say to a nutritionist that you want to lose weight (which I didn't say, I said lose fat), they give you a general basic diet. This woman I saw actually gave me a printed diet you could see it was the one she gave to everyone and she simply crossed out the part that said meat and put "one egg, a slice of cheese and seeds" as a replacement. She didn't even prepare it with me, I saw her and she said she'd leave the diet plan in the gym on friday. Thank you for posting!

If I was asking you to critique the nutritionist's food plan, I would have given you the nutritionist's food plan. Yes, but you did ask us what we thought about the diet that she gave you buy just giving us a very slim overview, and then asked us this below... I am not a Registered Dietitian, but I have to admit one of my pet peeves is when people want to do things "their way".... but they came to me to help them lose the fat that they weren't able to on their own. Even though you are not happy with the program that she gave you, you probably consulted a nutritionist because you weren't happy with the results that you were acheiving on your own correct? I can tell you that I HAVE given a client a piece of fruit with 5 nuts before because she was 5 feet tall and 30 pounds overweight and putting a full serving of nuts or fats at each meal would have increased her calories too much to lose the fat she wanted to. But her protein for the day was about 100 grams or so (referring to your comment that the protein at that snack seemed too low). What your calorie needs are depends on your age, height, current weight, activity level and goals. Now if my client comes to me after a week and tells me she is hungry every day, I will add another serving of something and increase them gradually, but that is where the communication process comes in between you and the nutritionist. If you are wanting more food... tell her you are hungry... or ask her why only 5 nuts. Perhaps she can explain the reason to you. Also sweet.sarah... the person who responded to you asking for a better overview of your diet plan (DV) is a Registered Nurse and knows QUITE a bit about nutrition and was simply asking for more information to better guide you.... which is what I would need to review to see why you think its such a crappy plan... because so far, giving you a snack with a piece of fruit and a few nuts and salads with nuts sounds like she's trying to increase your healthy fats, which is a good thing, but again... would need to see what breakfast and dinner looks like... etc. 1) I answered that way beacuse she was treating me like a stupid person and, honestly, I don't think anyone likes being treated like a stupid person. I simply answered back the same way she answered me. The first person that posted actually got the idea of what I was saying. 2) I've never asked what you thought about the diet beacause I already know it's not a good diet plan. I know that. 2) It's either a piece of fruit OR five nuts. And I know for a fact that as long as I have my proteins taken care of and I have a caloric deficit every day, it doesn't really matter THAT much where the calories come from (healthy fats or healthy carbs). It's 113g prot 150g carb and 70g fat. That's my plan. Total 1680cal/day. If I eat more fat than that I'll eat less carbs so as to keep the caloric intake. My nutritionist didn't even bother with this. And she told me she arranged the diet to have between 30 and 80g of proteins. 3) It's not that i don't like the results I'm getting, I do. I just thought that I may be missing out on something and that maybe I could be getting even BETTER results. The truth is that I did not study to become a nutritionist so my guess was that a nutritionist knows better than a person who just reads a lot about nutrition. 4) I did not question DV's knowledge on nutrition.

If I was asking you to critique the nutritionist's food plan, I would have given you the nutritionist's food plan.

Very true, I didn't see it that way. After all she did give me a pretty "common" diet... and technically it's not wrong for a "common" person that doesn't know much about nutrition and fitness and just wants to "lose weight". And I did make it clear that I wanted to lose fat (and gain muscle), I don't really care that much about the number on the scale, as it's not really accurate. Thanks for posting!

So I went to the nutritionist. I need to lose fat (current weight 140lbs 25%BF, my ideal wight is 123lbs). We all know that what we eat is key to success here (you can train your ass off but if you don't eat properly it's useless!) so I wanted to get the best plan I could. Besides, being a vegetarian, makes it harder for me to know if I'm doing things right (I've been a vegetarian for less than six months). My problem is, after all I've read around here and in other bodybuilding sites and forums, I think there's no nutritionist capable of giving me THE perfect diet. So I didn't go with much expectations The diet she gave me was far from good... a complete disaster to tell you the truth!!! I'm too lazy to type it all, but trust me... it stinks. For example, mid-morning/mid afternoon meal: a medium size fruit (or two small fruits) or 5 nuts (FIVE?!?! I don't even get 1g of protein with that). She added seeds to the diet (in salads) because when we had the interview I told her I eat seeds, like flex, sesame, sunflower and so on. Also, apparently I can only eat TWO eggs a week; whites are ok so she gave me TWO per day! YAY! And I don't see the word SOY in the diet, or quinoa (I don't think she even knows about quinoa seeds). AND the days I train (I told her I take proteins afterwards) I should eat one egg less and one portion of cheese less. Oh well... I can go on and on... but I guess you got the idea. The question here is, do you think I should stick to my way? Or try another nutritionist that actually knows about vegetarianism?!? I think the thing is that they are not used to structure diets for vegetarians, let alone vegetarians who want to build muscle and lose fat. Maybe I should go to a dietist... they make all type of diets... Whatever! I think I know better... geez! what do I do? what do I do? BTW I base my diet on this: http://ksteveh.tripod.com/cuttingdiet.html which gives me a very broad spectrum, or so I think. Thanks for your time! Opinions are very much apreciated.

Gas can be the result of fermentation. To avoid that you should never eat fruit combined with any other foods, not ever. Fruit and beans (high in carbs as well as protein) make a nasty combination in your stomach. Also, keep in mind that tomato is a fruit...

Ha! I don't know much about that but I DO know that we, that is our bodies, are not designed to eat meat. It takes more than 3 hours for our stomach to digest it and puts a lot of stress to it. That is if you didn't have the BRILLIANT idea to combine the meat/chicken/fish/pork with carbs, which should keep the food in your stomach for more than 5 hours. For more info about this, in my opinion, very interesting topic you can check out the following link. http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

Ha! I don't know much about that but I DO know that we, that is our bodies, are not designed to eat meat. It takes more than 3 hours for our stomach to digest it and puts a lot of stress to it. That is if you didn't have the BRILLIANT idea to combine the meat/chicken/fish/pork with carbs, which should keep the food in your stomach for more than 5 hours. For more info about this, in my opinion, very interesting topic you can check out the following link. http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html