delabeaux Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Most of what I have read says that soy.... and a few other select sources (like Quinoua (sp)) are complete protein sources. I have read a few articles (peer reviewed journal abstracts) that have some correlative but not causative evidence that soy might be linked to some late life brain diseases and/or dysfunction. Why should I, a new vegan, look for other sources if I supplement protein in powder form? What are good alternatives and why? (Yes, I see all of the posts on what everyone is using, just not why). Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcina Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Pffft! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! Soy does NOT cause brain damage amage amage amage amage amage amage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I do know some nutritionists and trainers who tell people to avoid soy because if you eat a lot of vegan substitutes, most are made from soy and it can be over consumed. Too much of even a good thing can be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delabeaux Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 Pffft! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! Soy does NOT cause brain damage amage amage amage amage amage amage;p. Well, http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/soymessina seems to sum up most of the controversies well, but has a 'pro-soy' slant. Yet, www.mercola.com is vastly anti-processed soy (though fine with less or un-processed forms (tempeh, etc). Just search soy on mercola.com to get about 10 pages of why they got beef, or vegan beef substitute, with soy. I'm just (mostly) wondering why most people who post what their 'protein' powder is, seems to be soy free. Is there some super secret detriment to soy that I"m unaware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobsteriffic Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I don't use soy protein power because I eat tofu/tempeh/etc on a somewhat regular basis and I like to make sure my protein sources are varied. I'd rather eat tofu and have a rice protein shake then have all of my protein come from soy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegesus Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) I have read a few articles (peer reviewed journal abstracts) that have some correlative but not causative evidence that soy might be linked to some late life brain diseases and/or dysfunction. I have heard alot of things that have been thrown around regarding negative impacts of soy. This will now go down as one of the most ridiculous ones next to my personal favorite "men could possibly grow breats" one. I response to your question of why most of us don't seem to use soy protein powder as a supplement I can only speak for myself but I eat enough soy from tempeh, tofu and soymilk that I would rather get my powder supplements from a mixed protein source (gemma, hemp, rice). I have always lived by the idea its better to not put all your egg replacers in one basket. Edited September 3, 2009 by Pegesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Why should I, a new vegan, look for other sources if I supplement protein in powder form? If you don't have a thyroid problem or a soy allergy soy is safe. Soy is a frequently occurring topic on veg*n sites, so I've collected a few reassuring articles in a dedicated category on my blog:http://beforewisdom.com/blog/?cat=23 If that is not enough search on "soy" on the search engine here, veganfitness.net and tmuscle.com Edited September 3, 2009 by beforewisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetide Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I have always lived by the idea its better to not put all your eggs in one basket.I think as a fellow vegan you shouldn't be putting any eggs in your basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegesus Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Haha...good point....edited now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeB Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I am of a similar opinion to lobsteriffic. I eat a lot of tofu (3x a week at least) and some vegan faux meat like tofurky beer brats!, so the protein powders I consume are usually non soy. If I am living cheaply I do consume soy powder though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganEssentials Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yet, http://www.mercola.com is vastly anti-processed soy (though fine with less or un-processed forms (tempeh, etc). Just search soy on mercola.com to get about 10 pages of why they got beef, or vegan beef substitute, with soy. That says it all right there. I've had so many people come back with "Mercola.com says soy is terrible!", yet they don't realize that Mercola, like so many others, is selling his own line of goods which he needs to promote over everything else. Like anything, you'll find some articles that say soy is the worst thing ever, others that claim it's a miracle. Moderation is key, but of course, that doesn't make a dime for anyone to state, so Mercola says it's terrible and then wants to rook you into his line of stuff or one of his programs. Rule #1, always be wary of people who shout "Ingredient XXX is evil....now let me tell you about MY products that will save your health!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Very true Ryan. Robert Cohen of notmilk.com tried that stunt a few years ago. He started screaming how carrageen ( a seaweed), a common additive in soy milk is unhealthy. At about the same time he started selling home soy milk makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delabeaux Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yes. I realise he is not presenting peer-reviewed information, but a few of his articles do have links to abstracts which are peer-reviewed. Which is why I posted who better to be the most knowledgeable than long-time vegans? I appreciate all of the replies. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Very true Ryan. Robert Cohen of notmilk.com tried that stunt a few years ago. He started screaming how carrageen ( a seaweed), a common additive in soy milk is unhealthy. At about the same time he started selling home soy milk makers. Anyone around me after I drink carrageen is risking possible health problems. Carrageen and Vega I just can't get to play nice with my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Follow the link in my earlier post. There are two articles there about studies on men who were fed huge amounts of highly processed soy with no ill effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 For what it is worth, Dr. Mercola is listed on quackwatch.com http://www.quackwatch.com/search/webglimpse.cgi?ID=1&query=mercola&case=&whole=&lines=&errors=&age=&maxfiles=25&maxlines=20&maxchars=3000&filter=&cache=yes&rankby=DEFAULT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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