xjohanx Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=217678569&blogID=352971310 vega seems to be popular on this forum, mac apparently likes it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I love that he realizes he doesn't need tons and tons of protein...and he obviously has a more rigorous training regimen than pretty much everyone here. I hope this makes people think twice about how they eat considering he is more muscular than most despite training thats meant to make sure he doesn't get too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I love that he realizes he doesn't need tons and tons of protein...and he obviously has a more rigorous training regimen than pretty much everyone here. I hope this makes people think twice about how they eat considering he is more muscular than most despite training thats meant to make sure he doesn't get too big. He has only been vegan for 2 years, that body wasn't built as a vegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Don't be ridiculous. He's no monstrous guy. And he maintains his size on a vegan diet...a size he could have easily gotten to without meat considering the training he does. If he didn't train so hard he'd definitely be a lot bigger too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I love that he realizes he doesn't need tons and tons of protein...and he obviously has a more rigorous training regimen than pretty much everyone here. I hope this makes people think twice about how they eat considering he is more muscular than most despite training thats meant to make sure he doesn't get too big. He has only been vegan for 2 years, that body wasn't built as a vegan. I don't get why people say stuff like this. It's no harder gaining muscle eating vegan as eating meat. If any thing it's easier if your smart becasue you can recover quicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I guess he's the anti-vegan vegan. Its time to drop the brainwashing vegans have from their previous ways. Its insane that even to this day(not in this case per say) there are even vegans that think they are seriously sacrificing their health for animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeVegan Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 For example, I walk at 168lbs and I usually eat between 100 and 140 grams of protein per day when I'm in grueling, peak training...For the purpose of my example, let's assume Mac is at 6% bodyfat: This makes his "lean body mass" 157.92lbs Most "bodybuilders" seem to aim for a minimum of 1g of protein per day, per pound of lean body mass. That would translate into a minimum of about 158g of protein per day for a 168lb Mac Danzig... Mac says he eats 140g of protein some days... Like potter said, his training is more intense than most bodybuilders. Most people who only train in bodybuilding would not necessarily fare well in rigorous martial arts training. Totally different sports... That being said, Mac is not training to build "muscle mass". He is training to maintain the strength and endurance required to compete in intense MMA bouts which typically last less than 30 minutes. That is a totally different goal from bodybuilders, who typically only care about gaining as much mass as possible, as quickly as possible. I definitely would not call his diet "low-protein" considering his athletic goals. He is not training to gain muscle! He is training to maintain his strength (and weight class) while conditioning his cardio for the intensity of combat. Yes, he has a nice, physique! But it's like comparing a triathlete, cyclist, or runner to a bodybuilder... Different goals altogether!!! -Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 well he's only 5'8'' and probably some where around 6 percent body fat like you said, so 168 is pretty big considering all the cardio training he does. most fighters don't lifts for size at least the smart ones. They try to build functional strength. I don't know if you've ever grappled with a top notch grappler, but if you haven't you'd be amazing by there strength to size ratio. When i first started training i thought i would be able to out muscle people becasue i was pretty strong and a lean 185, but i was getting man handled by people that where 145 pounds. there's a big difference between body building strength and athltic strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeVegan Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 well he's only 5'8'' and probably some where around 6 percent body fat like you said, so 168 is pretty big considering all the cardio training he does. most fighters don't lifts for size at least the smart ones. They try to build functional strength. I don't know if you've ever grappled with a top notch grappler, but if you haven't you'd be amazing by there strength to size ratio. When i first started training i thought i would be able to out muscle people becasue i was pretty strong and a lean 185, but i was getting man handled by people that where 145 pounds. there's a big difference between body building strength and athltic strengthThis is exactly my point... He is not attempting to build mass, he is attempting to build "functional strength and endurance in an MMA setting"... Big difference! An experienced grappler/fighter will man-handle an inexperienced guy of greater size who doesn't train extensively in martial arts. I have been on both sides of this equation... Guys with less experience who are much bigger than me saying "wow, your way stronger than you look" and guys much smaller than me (with more extensive training) outclassing me in sparring matches. -Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 yep that's what i experiance. Do you train BJJ or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeB Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I'll be interested to read about what he eats. He's doing well on a vegan diet at this point as we all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjohanx Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 I love that he realizes he doesn't need tons and tons of protein...and he obviously has a more rigorous training regimen than pretty much everyone here. I hope this makes people think twice about how they eat considering he is more muscular than most despite training thats meant to make sure he doesn't get too big. He has only been vegan for 2 years, that body wasn't built as a vegan. I don't get why people say stuff like this. It's no harder gaining muscle eating vegan as eating meat. If any thing it's easier if your smart becasue you can recover quicker i totally get it. it's important. just look at all the shit vegans get at mainstream boydbuilding sites. they always say stuff like "yeah but you started bodybuilding while eating dairy" and some lunatics even say that "this doesn't prove anything cause you weren't vegan from birth".it's not about if WE think it's harder or not being a vegan athlete, it's what the others think.so the fact that he wasn't vegan untill like 3 years ago is something other will argue about and we need to be able to face those arguments and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 That sample meal plan is over 100g of protein most likely...In MY opionion, that's enough. I don't eat too much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veggieprincess Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 For example, I walk at 168lbs and I usually eat between 100 and 140 grams of protein per day when I'm in grueling, peak training...For the purpose of my example, let's assume Mac is at 6% bodyfat: This makes his "lean body mass" 157.92lbs Most "bodybuilders" seem to aim for a minimum of 1g of protein per day, per pound of lean body mass. That would translate into a minimum of about 158g of protein per day for a 168lb Mac Danzig... Mac says he eats 140g of protein some days... Like potter said, his training is more intense than most bodybuilders. Most people who only train in bodybuilding would not necessarily fare well in rigorous martial arts training. Totally different sports... That being said, Mac is not training to build "muscle mass". He is training to maintain the strength and endurance required to compete in intense MMA bouts which typically last less than 30 minutes. That is a totally different goal from bodybuilders, who typically only care about gaining as much mass as possible, as quickly as possible. I definitely would not call his diet "low-protein" considering his athletic goals. He is not training to gain muscle! He is training to maintain his strength (and weight class) while conditioning his cardio for the intensity of combat. Yes, he has a nice, physique! But it's like comparing a triathlete, cyclist, or runner to a bodybuilder... Different goals altogether!!! -Chris very very very well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeB Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I began lifting when I still ate dairy, but all i got was fat and I lost some weight. meaning I lost strength. I gained strength and weight on a vegan diet. It's possible. 100 g does not sound like much if you want to be massive. Maybe Roid Rage would shed some light here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I was very strong before I went vegan. But my progress slowed drastically...and pretty much peaked for two years. Once I went vegan my maxes shot up like crazy even though I wasn't in a strength phase. I think thats evidence that if I was always vegan I would have been much stronger...I can't see it any other way and it would be stupid to say I was so strong because I wasn't always vegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I also noticed that when I made the switch to vegan I was stronger. Not bigger, but stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I got both...if you were vegan earlier the same would have happened to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I just wasn't too concerned with training at the time, I did some though and I did notice strength increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetus25 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I tried to get on the site and ask Mac how he would eat if he were trying to gain weight, but could not get on to it. Would one of you try? It looks like he responded to others who added comments. Maybe you could even direct him to this thread. Thanks, Veg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I'm sure he's a busy guy. He's probably gets dozens of emails every day from vegans wanting advice and non vegans that are curious. I wouldn't expect to hear back and wouldn't hold it against him if he never returned a message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 He has an agent to go through. Though I'm sure direct contact is possible, like it is for nearly anyone if you know the right channels to go through, getting in touch with his agent is a good way to get in touch with him. I may see him in a couple of weeks. Not sure, but I may catch up with him soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjohanx Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 it would be cool if he could be featured on the main site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Yeah, for sure. I've wanted to do that for a while, just didn't get around to it yet. There are more great representatives of this lifestyle to get up there too, but he's at the top of my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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