Ryofire Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I recently saw this article on yahoo and simply just have to say wow. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091001/ap_on_re_us/us_empire_state_building_china I would like to have a simple discussion about this. I say this simply because this is not a matter of human rights, but animal rights as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xphilx Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 you´re right, china is the worst country ever. please america, send your troops over and kick their asses!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 you´re right, china is the worst country ever. please america, send your troops over and kick their asses!! I don't think China could be defeated. Their strength in numbers is amazing. Anyway, they aren't doing anything this country doesn't or hasn't done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryofire Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 you´re right, china is the worst country ever. please america, send your troops over and kick their asses!! I don't think China could be defeated. Their strength in numbers is amazing. Anyway, they aren't doing anything this country doesn't or hasn't done. I agree with Ducati. By going to war with them, we would be no better then they are. However It's not really the chinese people that are the problem it's simply the totalitarian government that's the problem. By saying "china is the worst country ever," or any country is the worst country ever is just plain horific no matter who says it. The fact that we have the freedom to talk about this on a public forum is something that totalitarianism fights day and night against. So by all means I am grateful that we live in a nation, in which we have the freedom to talk about these kind of things without fear of persecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjohanx Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The fact that we have the freedom to talk about this on a public forum is something that totalitarianism fights day and night against. So by all means I am grateful that we live in a nation, in which we have the freedom to talk about these kind of things without fear of persecution. Persecution is actually a pretty darn good word to describe what happens when you call yourself a communist in the US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The fact that we have the freedom to talk about this on a public forum is something that totalitarianism fights day and night against. So by all means I am grateful that we live in a nation, in which we have the freedom to talk about these kind of things without fear of persecution. Persecution is actually a pretty darn good word to describe what happens when you call yourself a communist in the US... Or an atheist, vegan, gay, anti-war, anti-government, etc. Persecution is rampant in the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamzz Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Don't be anti war...be pro peace! Dam can't we all just get along? We are all different and have different beliefs but in reality we are all one. its too bad not everyone believes in compassion and empathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Don't be anti war...be pro peace! Dam can't we all just get along? We are all different and have different beliefs but in reality we are all one. its too bad not everyone believes in compassion and empathy. You see, even semantics can be used to harass others. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamzz Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 You see, even semantics can be used to harass others. LOL Say no to harass and more to hugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 You see, even semantics can be used to harass others. LOL Say no to harass and more to hugs Just because I want no harm to come to people doesn't mean I have to like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamzz Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 you don't have to like anyone at all...liking everyone is a bit hard. being compassionate doesn't mean u have to go out for lunch with everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryofire Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 There's a difference between communism and totalitarianism. Also real americans dfo not support genocide and murder no matter who says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 There's a difference between communism and totalitarianism. Also real americans dfo not support genocide and murder no matter who says it. The United States committed the largest systematic genocide in recorded history. And many of the murderers are hailed as heros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeB Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 We as a nation have nothing to do with what a privately owned building does, no matter how ignorant. The US doesn't need to go to war with anyone, let alone china. Thank goodness it didn't happen recently as one of our forum members would have been caught in the middle. If you think communists face persecution try advocating having no state at all. I think an expansion of government much more palatable and even preferable to most than a completely voluntary society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I think people throw words, ideas, and actions, around too freely, all for the sake of furthering the rightousness of their argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Or an atheist, vegan, gay, anti-war, anti-government, etc. Persecution is rampant in the United States.The same could be argued about the religious, straights, pro-war, pro-gov't, etc. etc.. Guess it all depends of were your coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganDrew Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Although it's obvious that China has a lot of awful things attributed to it (especially if you're an AR activist) I'm not sure what my final verdict is on them yet. That being said, yes we do support genocide, but it's not this small, symbolic gesture at the Empire State building, it's real. http://a7.vox.com/6a00f48cf01dff0002011017b607cf860e-500pi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganDrew Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 If you think communists face persecution try advocating having no state at all. I think an expansion of government much more palatable and even preferable to most than a completely voluntary society. My first response was "awww poor white male from North America complaining about persecution!" Then I realized if you're talking about the anarchists in Spain or Europe, you've got a very good point. The case of Spain is actually funny to me. Anarchists made it work, and so communists, fascists, and democracies united in wanting to take them out. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Or an atheist, vegan, gay, anti-war, anti-government, etc. Persecution is rampant in the United States.The same could be argued about the religious, straights, pro-war, pro-gov't, etc. etc.. Guess it all depends of were your coming from. Very good point Joe. Although some persecutions are acceptable to society and others are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 "awww poor white male from North America complaining about persecution!"Why would you deny the poor of one particular race, and sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 "awww poor white male from North America complaining about persecution!"Why would you deny the poor of one particular race, and sex? Affirmative action:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 "awww poor white male from North America complaining about persecution!"Why would you deny the poor of one particular race, and sex? Affirmative action:)I was thinking more along the lines of pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarz Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I saw a picture of the ESB all lit up in the paper on the way to work and I was more than a little surprised and I thought it was odd... Realpolitik and all that I suppose.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 The United States committed the largest systematic genocide in recorded history.Perhaps it's not important to the current track of the conversation, but I must point out: No, that's not correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducati Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 The United States committed the largest systematic genocide in recorded history.Perhaps it's not important to the current track of the conversation, but I must point out: No, that's not correct. Estimates go as high at 40 Million Native Americans murdered in North America, and as many as 100 Million in all the Americas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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