godesslissa

Do you guys usually gravitate toward other people who are vegan in relationships or are you OK with being with someone who doesn't have the same exact value system as you?

 

My husband and I are like night and day. I have maybe a glass of wine or two a year and don't smoke or do any drugs. I've also been vegan since before he and I met. He eats meat, smokes and drinks and thinks "exercise" is the walk from the house to the truck. We respect each others differences and he knows that if he wants meat he has to buy and cook it himself. Somehow, despite major differences we're the best of friends and support each others ambitions. There are definately times though that his stubbornness irritates the hell out of me. I don't actively try to change him- because I know that you can't force anyone to change if they aren't ready and willing to- but I hope that through my own examples he'll come around someday.

Poptarts~ 400 empty calories in two of them. (and really cheap if you know where to shop) They're vegan if you get the ones without the icing on them. ( I tend to steer clear of them personally since I don't need the empty calories right now anyway)

BURRITOS ARE GOOD!

I was thinking about how awesome burritos are yesterday (had two huge bean and veggie burritos for dinner last night) I'll make a burrito out of anything- it's my favorite kind of "fast food" I'll make a burrito out of beans, rice, veggies, seitan or whatever else I have in the fridge and eat it on the way to work or school or the gym. I've also taken peanut butter (or Tofutti cream cheese with a little lime or lemon juice and just a pinch of organic sugar) and spread it on a tortilla with fresh fruit for a snack.

Breakfast - Smoothie

1 cup Silk soymilk enhanced with flax oil for Omega 3s

One Orange

One Banana

5 grams creatine

40 grams Nutribiotic Rice Protein

 

Lunch Bag - Kind of light today, but I will be going out at lunch as today is not a training day. Usually spend my lunch hour at the gym 3-4 days per week.

 

About a pound of leftover mexican casserole made of corn tortillas, refried beans, fried potatos and onions, tofu and enchilada sauce.

 

Cliff Bar, Carrot Cake flavor

Two Bananas

320z. Soymilk

 

Will probably grab a vegan chicken salad sandwich at the local health food store on my break.

 

On a typical day add a couple of bagels or peanut butter and Jelly on whole wheat, another Cliff bar and more leftovers.

 

Dinner tonight will be out with my girlfriend. We are trying to decide between our favorite Thai place or the new Vegan Chinese restaurant with the all you can eat buffet! Damn I love that place!

 

Started bulking in October 2004 at 205 pounds, currently 242 with a goal of 250. Nice to see that goal so close now. Then comes the hard part of shedding all the extra fat. Oh well, there is a lot of new muscle to help with that.

LOL. That's my favorite midnight snack.

I just got home from work so I just finished breakfast and I'll think about lunch whenever I wake up- (I've been craving notdogs with vegitarian baked beans so I might have that for a snack when I wake up)

This morning I had 12 oz of chocolate shake (naturade & silk) a banana and oatmeal (not instant) with raisins and flax seed oil. I'll have my multivitamin and my vitamin C, B-6 and B12 in a few minutes and then I'll be off to bed until dodgeball this afternoon. (About 30 of my friends and I get together every sunday in the summer to play and today is the first game of the summer- It's a damned shame it's only going to get to 53 degrees here today! )

I'm definately enjoying the site and hearing from other like minded people!

rock on bobbycore When you get one you'de better post pics. hehe.

agreed!

Lisa here is what I wrote to VeggieBurger:

 

As for gaining 10 pounds, here is what the ISSA (International Sports Sciences Association) recommends. Its called the Zig Zag approach and it is effective. BTW this is in accordance to you, so the numbers werent at just random. I am just putting it in a quote to make it look more organized. The amount of calories to add and minus is for your body.

 

To increase total bodyweight by losing fat and gaining muscle

 

For 4 to 5 days each week (training days), add 2 calories per lean bodyweight and spread it amount 5 meals.

 

So basically you need to get your bodyfat, which is 8 %, and multiply it with your body weight which is 155, and you get 12.4 which is the amount of pounds in fat. Minus the pounds od fat by 155 and you will get 142.6 which is your lean bodyweight. Then multiply the lean bodyweight, 142.6 x 2 and you get 285 calories. So add 285 calories to your current diet.

 

For 2 to 3 days each week (training days), minus 2 calories per lean bodyweight and spread it amount 5 meals. So what you do here is minus 285 from your current diet.

 

(Hatfield 526)

 

This is just a general guideline and does not include what to eat, it is just in speaking of calories in general. As for what to eat, most would start at a 1-2-3 ratio. 1 part fat, 2 part protien, and 3 parts carbohydrates. That means you would calculate this out of your entire daily caloric intake.

 

 

Bibliography:

Hatfield Phd, Frederick C. (2004) Fitness: The Complete Guide (Eighth-Edition)

 

Just substitute the numbers in with yours, I tried to make it as straitfoward as possible. If you are confused, just ask. THis is all from a nutrition standpoint.

Yup- I'm officially confused. So do I add or subtract the 248 calories on days that I'm training? (my calculation figured from my lean bodyweight based on what you posted)

goedesslissa, I am training for a personal training certification at ISSA. Tell me what your goal is (lose weigth and gain muscle, gain weight and gain muscle) and I will give you our formula. Its called the Zig Zag approach. It is effective at keeping off the fat.

Most immediate goal is to get rid of the "squish" that's accumulated in the months since I've been to the gym! (abs to thigh area primarily) I'd prefer to lose weight and gain muscle, but I'd be happy just converting it to muscle if I could lose some inches in the process! I need that toned look I used to flaunt!

 

hahahaha....

 

the squish. Even I have the shquish and I was just at 7% bf. The squish comes and goes and with enough cadio and light weight/high rep work yours will be gone.

Yeah! There is a light at the end of the tunnel!!

Yeah, I see what both of you mean. I just don't like to eat it in front of certain people.

 

I share my vegan lifestyle with others so often that I just don't always have the energy or explain myself "one more time" so I just avoid certain circumstances.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love to educate people, but every single day I have to defend or explain my way of living and it can be exhausting. I'm sure some of you know what I mean and have been in that situation.

 

On top of that, being a bodybuilder and a vegan, I feel like I have to say the same things over and over and over to each person I meet. I'm nice and friendly by nature so I usually take the time, but there have been sometimes when I've just given them a business card and told them to check out my website (because I didn't have the time, energy or desire to go through my daily explanation one more time).

 

Most people who know me, know that it is fake meat, but I just keep it out of sight in certain situations, that's all. Saving myself time in the long run.

LOL You should come up with a shirt that sums up the same speech we all have to give from time to time.

 

I don't mind mock meats. I'm like some of the others though in that my coworkers have known me for a while (since 1997) and they know I don't cheat. I get a lot of crap from my family though because they don't understand and they don't try to understand- so sometimes when I have to go to a cookout or family function I just make it easier on myself and eat before I go and just tell them I've already eaten so I don't have to go through explaining myself to them for the five millionth time.

Have you ever submitted anything to Vegetarian Times? They might be interested in printing something about you and the site.

I have a very cool friend here who has his own printing business- He does a lot of work for the music scene. If you want I can send you his email and you can see if he can offer you better rates than what you're currently paying.

You're quite a popular quy according to your MySpace profile!

I know when I "topic watch" on other message boards I get an email whenever a new message has been posted to the thread I'm interested in. I've tried to do the same thing here, but I don't get any sort of notification- Is that option working for everyone else?

True- I guess I'm thinking of it from a "mom" perspective. (If you don't have kids yet when you do you'll realize that your perspective on nearly everything in life changes to a "parental perspective".) Kids and pets definatley are very dependant on adults/caregivers for most of their necessities. I think it's definately a priority for me to value my son and all of my animals and make sure they get the best nutrition I can give them. (I have one pug dog named Buddha, a ferret named Minky Boodle, three cats (Satan, Bootsie, Blackie) and a hamster that belongs to my son)

I use rice protein, usually about 50 grams daily.

 

Also creatine in cycles of 3-6 weeks followed by a 2-3 weeks off, 5-10 grams daily.

 

B12 a few times per week.

 

Just started using vegan glucosamine to see if it helps my joints any.

 

That's all for supliments, although I frequently use fortified products like clif bars and silk soymilk.

What's the benifit of the creatine?

 

Rob- What kind of meal replacments have you used?

Thanks. I like that photo.

 

Everyone on here has definately been really cool so far so I'm already feeling much more confidant about how far I can go if I really push myself toward the goals I've set. Maybe I'll meet some of you all at some competitions in the near future!

http://www.myspace.com/godesslissa

My favorite vegan rag is Herbivore magazine. http://www.herbivoreclothing.com/magazine.page.html

 

They had a feature article on Brendan Brazier in the last issue. I'm not much of a writer, but I'm thinking of submitting an article on this summers Vegan Fitness Week in the UK.

Thanks for posting that link-it looks like a pretty cool magazine.

I don't usually have time to watch too much TV, but tonight while cooking dinner I turned it on to drown out the sounds of maniacle 9 year olds playing in my sons room.~ Anyway I overheard part of a commercial that mentioned something to the effect of, "...provides complete nutrition for them too." Wondering what they could be referring to, I wandered into the living room to see that the commercial on was for dog food... I have nothing against feeding my pets nutritious food, but the commercial made me realize how many commercials I have seen over the years for food products geared toward adults (and especially kids) and they seldom, if ever, seem to tout many/any nutritional benifits- yet the commercials for pet foods seem to try to make a point of letting their audience know that if they value their pets health they'll invest in brand ____. Food commercials for crappy stuff (like poptarts and candy/chips/soda and all that kind of stuff) seem to give the viewer the impression that their product tastes great, and is great for when you're on the go... (etc)

 

So as humans- we value the health of our pets over our kids and ourselves? Damn. How long will we stay at the top of the food chain with that mentality

 

Maybe it's just my imagination though- has anyone else noticed this?

Hi Ash, we keep bumping in to each other on the web. I love beans and rice in just about any combination. One of my favorite quick meals is the vegetarian burrito from Chipotle. Have you eaten there? Their chips and salsa are good too!

 

Lissa, we also make our own whole wheat pizzas. The bread machine hardly gets used for anything else, just 2 cups ww flour, a cup of warm water, packet of yeast , T oil and tsp salt. Last week we made a more traditional pizza with red sauce and a new vegan cheese. It was very good, can't remember the name of the cheese now. The tofu sauteed with garlic is a good idea too, we have done that one a few times. YUM!

OH! I have a bread machine I haven't used in ages. I don't know why I haven't thought of using it for pizza dough! It would definately cut down on the time I spend in the kitchen!

Rule of thumb is never exercise the same body part 2 days in a row.

Yeah. I wasn't planning on doing the same part- I just realized that day 4 was legs- so I might not want to go running on day 5- Maybe I'll do that on Monday and start my four days in the gym on Tuesday- I thought for starters I'd see if I can use Rob's suggested sample training schedule to see where I'm at and what immediate goals I need to set over the next few weeks.

I don't usually listen to hip hop, but now I want to check out Dead Prez to see what they're all about!

I might have to pick up the black and white one when I get paid again.

There are a bunch of others great vegan athletes as well.

 

Some of my friends have their own websites:

 

www.suzetteandrea.com

 

www.brendanbrazier.com

 

www.tonyakay.com

 

www.organicathlete.com features a bunch of us

 

I'll get more links to others as well. All of those listed above are vegan ones and on the links page on the regular www.veganbodybuilding.com site you will find a bunch more.

Yeah I checked out a bunch of those links I found on the site last night- It was definately encouraging to see so many people who are vegan making their mark in the fitness community!

ROB- I read your Beginning Bodybuilding section on the site and like the sample training program you mention. I'm wondering how important that day 3 rest is to take- If I wanted to work 4 days straight and take the 5th and 6th day off and go running the 7th day- Do you think that would that be too much time off between weight training days? My crappy night shift work schedule means my work out week doesn't really start until Monday afternoon/Tuesday. I know I can reasonably get back into a routine of going to the gym Tues-Friday morning, take Sat/Sun off and go running on Monday afternoon.