trying2bvegan Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hey All, So I've got to food journalling the past few weeks, and finally got to number crunching. I'm not concerned at all about the types of foods I'm eating (so long as they're vegan, wholesome, and nutritious), but more the relative amounts of each. Can some of you knowledgeable folks advise me whether my macros/calorie-intake is off the mark for my goals? I'm 6'2", 180lbs, 11-14% BF, 24yo male who has a pretty darn fast metabolism and has trouble packing on muscle. I'd really like to see myself up to 200 in the next 6 months. Average day: 162g fat (all healthy sources), 322g carbs (likewise), 203g protein Total calories: 3,810 Breakdown (% of cals): 40% from fats, 36% from carbs, 23% from protein Too much fat maybe? Not enough carbs? More/less calories? Any advise would be greatly, greatly appreciated! Thanks All! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veggieprincess Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I don't know Troy's height, but check out this journal for some great tips. If you read the whole thing, you'll also see his trials and tribulations figuring out what works for him as far as food. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8649 When you said... "I don't care what the foods are as long as they're Vegan and wholesome"... I don't really know what you mean by that, cuz I think the types of foods plays a major role in your success. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Your calories are probably fine, but i don't see 40 percent fat doing anything postive, I'd say up your carbs and drop the fat. i'd say 60/20/20 will give you much better gains. I think carbs are the most miss understood and underappriated part of nutrition. You'll have to eat more total volume becasue carb sources are less calorie dense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veggieprincess Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 couture547... and your basing your opinion of a recommended macronutrient breakdown on what? Your advice sounds like a GREAT macronutrient ratio for an ENDURANCE athlete. just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 couture547... and your basing your opinion of a recommended macronutrient breakdown on what? Your advice sounds like a GREAT macronutrient ratio for an ENDURANCE athlete. just sayin. Based on that he's looking for a change and is looking for recommations, his ratios right now are very similar to what i see alot of people doing on here and i disagree with them. But he can do what he wants and you can do what you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 couture547... and your basing your opinion of a recommended macronutrient breakdown on what? Your advice sounds like a GREAT macronutrient ratio for an ENDURANCE athlete. just sayin. Based on that he's looking for a change and is looking for recommations, his ratios right now are very similar to what i see alot of people doing on here and i disagree with them. But he can do what he wants and you can do what you wantWhy don't you just answer the lady's question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 couture547... and your basing your opinion of a recommended macronutrient breakdown on what? Your advice sounds like a GREAT macronutrient ratio for an ENDURANCE athlete. just sayin. Based on that he's looking for a change and is looking for recommations, his ratios right now are very similar to what i see alot of people doing on here and i disagree with them. But he can do what he wants and you can do what you wantWhy don't you just answer the lady's question? he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 he did.Actually he skirted the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 he did.Actually he skirted the question. No he didn't, his answer is based on his opinion and that's what his reply states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 he did.Actually he skirted the question. No he didn't, his answer is based on his opinion and that's what his reply states. Yes he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Zack you erased your last post, before I could reply. ... I think you have been around long enough Zack to know that this about the protein quantity vs muscle building argument that has been around sense the dawn of Veganism.Nothing personal Zack Hope you're doing great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I don't get how i didn't answer the ?'s. In my opinon he's getting enough protein, it equals 218 grams a day, that is a ton of protein. His fat is too high and his carbs are too low for gaining mass IMO. not to say he couldn't gain muscle with that much fat becasue he could, but i think he'd be better off with more good carbs. The strongest guys in the world and the strongest guys i know eat alot of food and don't limit there carbs. If he's looking to just be cut then i'd have different advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 it equals 218 grams a day, that is a ton of protein.Case closed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 it equals 218 grams a day, that is a ton of protein.Case closed! I'm confused, your saying he needs more then that? I can just about guaranty he gets better gains with the addition of added carbs over more protein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 it equals 218 grams a day, that is a ton of protein.Case closed! I'm confused, your saying he needs more then that? I can just about guaranty he gets better gains with the addition of added carbs over more proteinYou're going to have to find someone else to argue your opinion with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 All I'm saying is he answered her question, it's his opinion whether anyone else thinks it's correct or not. Stupid to argue over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 to vegan joe:Your going to have to find someone to argue yours. Your the one that has started the debate. I gave the TS my opionion and i'm sticking too it until i see others triving on protein powders/ nuts/ seeds/ soy products. Look at the Vegans that has the most impressive physiques the guy from Isreal 15 percent protein. Look at any strongmans diet, a ton of carbs, not sure Ryan's diet from here but i'd imgaine he gets plenty of carbs and he's a stud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 the guy from Isreal 15 percent protein. Protein 20% straight from his profile page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 the guy from Isreal 15 percent protein. Protein 20% straight from his profile page. Yeah, i had the protein and fat mixed, but yeah guy is a stud and has the same recommendation i have about eatting natural unprocessed whole foods for protein not processed soy and plenty of carbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 All I'm saying is he answered her question, it's his opinion whether anyone else thinks it's correct or not. Stupid to argue over...No. She's asking him what he is basing his opinion on, you know like were did he get his opinion from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Joe Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 to vegan joe:Your going to have to find someone to argue yours. Your the one that has started the debate. I gave the TS my opionion and i'm sticking too it until i see others triving on protein powders/ nuts/ seeds/ soy products. Look at the Vegans that has the most impressive physiques the guy from Isreal 15 percent protein. Look at any strongmans diet, a ton of carbs, not sure Ryan's diet from here but i'd imgaine he gets plenty of carbs and he's a stud Is he the rule or the exception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Wouldn't say it's a rule, but carbs the norm of extremely strong people. can't think of any strongmen on extremely low carb diets. Problem with the vegan diet and extremly high protein diet is that you can't get a percent much over 20 with natural foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 All I'm saying is he answered her question, it's his opinion whether anyone else thinks it's correct or not. Stupid to argue over...No. She's asking him what he is basing his opinion on, you know like were did he get his opinion from. From personal experience. I've done it all low carb mostly animal products, low carb vegans, High fat omni, low fat omni, many versions of the raw food diet and many others, so i've tried some things. Besides me, just about any strong person i've ever talked to says eat huge, but clean with plenty of good protein, good carbs, good fats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 No. She's asking him what he is basing his opinion on, you know like were did he get his opinion from. Suppose that's true, you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couture547 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 All ready stated my opinion weather you agree or not with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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