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nice list. here's a few more... Compassion Over Killing - works to end animal abuse. COK focuses on cruelty to animals in agriculture and promotes vegetarian eating as a way to build a kinder world for all of us, both human and nonhuman. http://www.cok.net/ Co-op America - mission is to harness economic power—the strength of consumers, investors, businesses, and the marketplace—to create a socially just and environmentally sustainable society. http://www.coopamerica.org/ The Center for a New American Dream helps Americans consume responsibly to protect the environment, enhance quality of life, and promote social justice. http://www.newdream.org/ CompassionateGirl, they connect environment and vegetarianism, do a search for vegetarian or beef. here's one article: The Hidden Costs of Beef Consumption Men Can Stop Rape - empowers male youth and the institutions that serve them to work as allies with women in preventing rape and other forms of men's violence. http://www.mencanstoprape.org/ American Indian Movement - pledged to fight White Man's injustice to Indians, his oppression, persecution, discrimination and malfeasance in the handling of Indian Affairs http://www.aimovement.org/ United for a Fair Economy - raises awareness that concentrated wealth and power undermine the economy, corrupt democracy, deepen the racial divide, and tear communities apart. http://www.faireconomy.org/ Amnesty International http://www.amnesty.org/

congrats! i love being car-free, and it's quite easy in DC. i do just about everything on bicycle, bus or subway. for the rare necessity, there's also car-sharing (in addition to renting). here are two u.s. car-sharing companies. very cool. but, they don't cover most of the country. http://www.zipcar.com/ http://flexcar.com/ i should add... my new partner has a car, so now i sometimes hitch a ride from her. if people do drive, please keep your tires properly inflated and don't speed (gas mileage decreases after 55 or 60 mph). Tips To Improve Your Gas Mileage

i agree. on a tangent... what about domestication of humans? are you willing to give up being domesticated?

off topic: a lot of mf doom fans on this board. well, maybe 3 doesn't qualify as a lot, but...

here's another article. Discover Magazine "Top 100 Science Stories of 2005" #50: Tissue Engineers Cook Up Plan for Lab-Grown Meat by Sarah Webb Most of us avoid thinking too hard about the origins of our dinners. We happily eat chicken nuggets, willfully forgetting that they are a meat product derived from formerly living birds. Now science is prepared to make our cognitive dissonance complete. Last June, in a paper published in the journal Tissue Engineering, an international team of researchers proposed a new kind of food handmade for sensitive carnivores (and maybe even vegetarians): meat that comes from a laboratory instead of a farm. Clinical research scientists routinely grow muscle cells in the lab. And NASA-funded experiments have succeeded in culturing turkey muscle cells and goldfish cells as a potential way to feed astronauts on long space missions. Jason Matheny, a graduate student in agricultural economics and public health at the University of Maryland, and his colleagues turned this scheme earthward, proposing two methods for growing meat in bulk. One would culture thin sheets of meat, seeded by cells from a living animal, on a reusable polymer scaffold; the other would grow meat on small edible beads that stretch with changes in temperature. Currently the process is far too expensive to bring lab-grown meat to the supermarket. A tasty fake steak is an even more distant dream: To have the structure of filet mignon, muscle tissue needs bloods vessels, a major challenge to tissue engineers. Still, Matheny says that within several years, lab meat could be used in Spam, sausage, and even chicken nuggets. Europe has taken an interest. The Dutch government has invested $2.4 million in a project that would cultivate pork from stem cells. But will people eat it? Matheny thinks so. "There's nothing natural about a chicken that's given growth promoters and raised in a shed with 10,000 others," he says. "As consumers become educated, a product like this would gain appeal."

the majority of the population is not going to go veg*n, at least not any time soon. not that i'm happy about it, but that's the way it is. this technology could greatly reduce the number of animals that have to suffer and die to feed people that don't know about or care about the harm they cause. it will greatly reduce environmental damage, which in turn helps protect animals. regarding eating what's natural, there are tons of ingredients being used that are lab produced, contain toxic chemicals (herbicides, pesticides etc.) antibiotics, growth hormones, genetic modification, contain petroleum, etc. i wish the world would go natural, but it's simply not going to happen. we unfortunately can't put this genie back in the bottle. most of this has already been said, but i wanted to chime in to say i support it.

i agree with what jza said, too. whether or not you're overweight is almost entirely dependent on calories in/calories out. if there are more calories coming in than you're using, you're going to put on weight. but, there are some foods/additives that make it hard to eat only what is necessary. reading articles about high fructose corn syrup (hfcs) and watching supersize me are some examples of why i believe this. here's an article on hfcs: High-fructose corn syrup fueling obesity epidemic, doctors say

in moderation, i don't think it's a big deal. (unless the chips are made with partially hydrogenated oils) there's always substitution... tortilla chips: ditto what veganmadre said, try baked or a healthy option at a health food store Luna bars: maybe trail mix - dried fruit/nut mix Knudsen's spritzers: water with lemon works for me rice dream: Frozen Banana Ice Cream (it's amazing)

i wholeheartedly agree. what's bad for the environment is bad for all living things, from little to large animals. we're threatening the base of the food chain in the oceans which could greatly disrupt life as we know it. and like that quote from Paul Watson (which is great!), it is despicable when self-identified environmentalists eat meat. the leader of earth policy institute that said: "“That’s not too difficult in the U.S., but for people in developing countries, being a vegetarian often means eating only rice, and I don’t think I would recommend that." where the heck did that idea come from?! there are plenty of developing countries (if not all) that use beans, legumes etc. for protein needs. has he ever had central or south american cuisine, ethiopian food, asian food, senegalese food, etc.? i've had hearty vegan meals from each. grrr... but yeah, it would help both causes if there was more collaboration.

Economic Left/Right: -8.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.36 Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%. Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 20%. The political description that fits you best is... LIBERAL no surprise there. my old room-mate used to joke that i'm not a liberal, i'm to the left of a liberal.

in dc you can get it (during summer) at Sticky Fingers and Everlasting Life. i sure do feel lucky. and, you can make it at home. i used to make a version of this almost daily - often adding chocolate chips, nuts, other fruit... yum! p.s. we've almost reached 12 pages.

everyone is welcome in dc. my vegan partner and i have a futon and two cuddly cats. we know a bunch of vegans and check out our veg*n/veg-friendly restaurants: http://vegdc.com/restaurants.php and our vegan bakery! http://stickyfingersbakery.com/

thanks, CG. i read the first article a few years back when the issue was printed. i was so happy they did it. http://www.emagazine.com/images/covers/cover_0102_med.jpg but, it brings up all the frustrations i had with how weak the enviro. community is with veg*nism. how can they argue with this? found here http://www.emagazine.com/images/0102feat1_keepmoving.jpg Circle Four Farms, a Utah-based pork producer, hosts a three-million gallon waste lagoon. When lagoons like this spill into rivers and lakes as happened in North Carolina in 1995, the result can be environmentally catastrophic.

just read the thread. did you all see this? nice.

Welcome! I just peeped Brendan Brazier's site the other day after reading a post from Robert. Good stuff!

wow, i wish i grew up vegan! welcome to the board. and, i agree about the meat-eating links to global warming, and many other problems for that matter.

welcome. i'm a big fan of holistic approaches and thinking. i'm glad to hear you found these vegan/athletic sites, they should definitely help.

welcome, Kerry! 130 pounds in 9 months is amazing. congrats on that and choosing to go vegan.

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thanks, and i love how much he enjoys cuddling. speaking of animals and captions, have you seen this guy? http://www.boreme.com/boreme/media-pictures/i-fluffy-destroyer.jpg

thanks again, everyone. i'm glad to be on this site. Formica, glad to see the fuh2 site is back up. thanks.

loved it. Story of B (the follow-up) is probably my all-time favorite.

great thread and great quotes! here are some more (i've got a big collection). animal related: The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men. - Alice Walker When a man wants to murder a tiger he calls it sport; when the tiger wants to murder him he calls it ferocity. -George Bernard Shaw, writer, Nobel laureate (1856-1950) As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour toward creatures, all men were Nazis. -Isaac Bashevis Singer, writer, Nobel laureate, (1904-1991) other: There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed. -Buddha People rarely win wars, governments rarely lose them. People get killed. - Arundhati Roy It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -Voltaire (1694-1778) Whatever women must do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. -Charlotte Whitton The newer people of this modern age are more eager to amass than to realize. - Rabindranath Tagore When I see an adult on a bicycle I have hope for the human race. - George Orwell I manifest the future, the present followed by the past. Everything in nature, rules by kickin ass. KRS-ONE More die in the United States of too much food than of too little. -John Kenneth Galbraith, economist (1908- )

thanks a lot, everyone! happy to be here, and happy to see some friendly and familiar names/faces. thanks! i think i'll go add some to this thread. hilarious! sadness. that's where i got the idea for the picture and submitted it to the site. i knew it as fuh2.com, which also no longer works - they were probably the same. if anyone is curious, peep this: F-U-H2: Introducing the official H2 salute

nice thread and cute pics! a little over a year ago i adopted two kittens that were stray and on their way to a shelter. they were found in a cornfield. the girl is named selu (after the american indian corn goddess) and her brother is clouda (altered the word cloud - it was raining all day when i picked them up). they're both mischievous, perhaps b/c my apartment is kinda small and they'd be bored if they weren't getting into trouble. most of my house plants are now out of their reach. they're both "lap cats" and one in particular loves to cuddle. here he is with my partner: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/djsoyboy/image9-1.jpg here's one from a few days after i brought them home: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/djsoyboy/kittenclimb.jpg