veganmomma

Late reply. No, heavybags don't hit back. That's what sparring partners are for.

I already answered your question. Ask a podiatrist. Don't believe every martial arts instructor and their brother who doesn't have a medical degree. If you want to risk f*****g up your feet then fine. They are your feet so do whatever you want with them.

Starting next week my routine will look like this. Monday 11" Box Squat 3x5 Flat Bench 3x5 Power Clean 3x5 Weighted Decline Sit-ups Wednesday Deadlift 3x5 Push Press 3x5 DB Row or Lat Pull 3x5 Weighted Decline Sit-ups Friday 11" Box Squat 3x5 Flat Bench 3x5 Power Clean 3x5 Weighted Decline Sit-ups Tuesday 1/23 Deep Squat 1x20x206lbs Flat Bench 1x20x90lbs DL 1x15x246lbs Decline Sit-ups 1x30x25lbs Thursday 1/25 11" Box Squat 1x5x200lbs, 2x5x220lbs Flat Bench 3x5x106lbs DB Power Clean 1x5x80lbs, 2x5x85lbs Decline Sit-ups 1x25x50lbs Those are not warm-up sets, I have never done box squats before so I had to figure out how much weight I could handle. I haven't done DB Power Cleans in a while, the first set felt to easy.

I love online classes. It is much more conveniant and interesting then having to sit thru a boring arse lecture. As far as how many classes and credits, only you know how much you can handle. You will have to put in as much hours doing the reading, research and assignments as you would for in-person classes.

Until I see some rings on his fingers, I don't think so.

xdarthveganx, what a coincedence. I ran into one of my old MT/BJJ training partners on my way home from work today, the guy who f***ed up my knee in MT class. I haven't seen him in a year. He was training to compete in MMA, unfortunately training was taking up 40 hours a week and he wants to start college.

Personally I like Omoplata, heel hook, knee bars, "Americana", any ankle locks. Dude, you are starting to get me interested in taking up BJJ after I finish school. There are some nasty arse moves in BJJ dawg.

I don't travel much, so probably not. I am not PC. I am sure I have gender issues, most men do. Most white people have racial issues, most heterosexual people have heterosexism issuses etc, etc, etc. If anyone wants to compare my use of that word in the "context" that I used it to an ethnic, racial, or homophobic slur I think they are infected with the disease of political correctness and should spend their energy fighting oppression, not being language police. Do you know a guy named aka "Floyd"? I used the word "chick" around him and he had a fit.

I forgot to say one thing. Excuse my language VBB women. Melo sucker punched a smaller guy then he runs like a pussy. My mother could kick Melo's arse.

Saturday 1/20 Deep Squat 1x20x200lbs Flat Bench 1x20x86lbs DL 1x15x240lbs

Thursday 1/18 Deep Squat 1x20x190lbs Flat Bench 1x20x80lbs DL 1x15x236lbs DB Push Press 2x10x45lbs

darth, we hijacked this thread discussion. This thread discussion is about "What martial arts for women? We can either start a new thread discussion here or we can continue this discussion on VF. What is the Most Efficient Style for Street Fighting? http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7777 Fighting Myths http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1312 Over rated and Under rated techniques http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7497 Is aliveness essential to MA? http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7886

xdarthveganx, I have to go beat up my heavy bag and then watch 24. So we will have to continue this discussion on Thursday. I will be at work all day tomorrow. "May the force be with you always."

1. Some people are natural fighters, some people are. You and others may be able to effectively use BJJ after 3 years training or less, others may not. 2. No I don't beleive a person has to be beat up eveyday to be able to use any martial art effectively. My boss has been training in Aikido for 17 years, does not get beat up everday, however I wouldn't mess with HER. She could f*** up most guys I know. I agree that getting beat up i.e. "live training" would better prepare a person for a streetfight as far as learning how to take a "hit." However I know martial artists who don't do a lot of "live" training or sparring who could cripple someone. 3. Yes, I have trained in BJJ. Not very long 2 months because I injured my knee in Muay Thai class and I did not recover for 6 months. My old instructor is a black belt and has been training for 10-13 years. He weighs 150lbs and could cripple someone. He supplements his BJJ training with Judo. I NEVER implied BJJ is not an effective MA for street combat. My only crticism is of your assertion that BJJ is superior to all other MA. 4. How long have you trained in KM? Did you serve in the Israeli Military? You said your entire family has. 5. What are you doing getting into street fights with bouncers? Did you get into MA to be a bad asre? If so then you got into MA for the wrong reasons IMO.

There aren't any rules in a street fight. There are rules in MMA. Can a competitor kick his opponent in the head while they are on the ground? What about knee strikes to the top of the head while an opponent is on the ground? A striker whether a martial artist, boxer or a street thug is going to be more agressive in a street fight than they would in competition. Why? They are not conserving their energy for the next round and they are not concerned or thinking about whether or not the the other guy is going to put them in a joint lock or choke because the average guy on the streets doesn't know how to apply those techniques. And while you are on the ground in a street fight remember the other guys friends are waiting for the opportunity to kick you in the head. If you think that applying a joint lock or choke is that simple to apply in a street situation with the other guys adrenaline pumping because he is really pissed off, then I think you probably haven't been in many street fights or the guys you have fought couldn't fight. 3 years experience ain't that much. I know guys who have been training in BJJ for 10 years who will tell you that applying a grappling technique in a street fight isn't always as easy as you make it sound.

Ok, I give in. You proved your point. BJJ is the most superior martial art ever known to mankind. You have repeated the same thing 3-5 times already.

I proved your point that BJJ is superior to all other martial arts? No, I don't think so. I have trained with BJJ practitioners who could not take a street fight to the ground against ANY attacker at any moment they please. The effectiveness of a martial art depends not only on the MA itself but the individual practioner and how much time and practice they put in to it. Also, take into consideration that their are martial artists who have trained in every MA who have had their asre kicked in a street fight. Do not belittle and demean my arguements by calling them ridiculous. You make it sound as if anyone who trains in BJJ will come out relatively unharmed and safe in EVERY street confrontation. That is an obsurd claim. Your opinons are based on fact? End of story. Although your family has served in the Israeli Military, how does that prove that martial artists who have trained at civilian KM schools could not defend themselves in a street situation. Have you ever trained with or spoken to anyone who has trained at a civilian KM school who has successfuly used KM in a street situation? I have. They work as bouncers at bars and clubs. Edited 1 time.

Is your opinion based on fact or opinion? I could introduce you to many women who have trained in KM who would tell you that your opinion is inaccurate. For women, yes I would agree that BJJ would be effective because most male versus female attacks go to the ground. Your claim sounds a bit arrogant as if you are impling that BJJ is superior to any other martial art every created by humankind. I personally get annoyed by such outrageous claims about the superiority of BJJ. Fighting Myths - notes from the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers Conference One of the myths about personal protection is the old misquoted statistic, "90% of all fights wind up on the ground." This statistic has been used to sell ground fighting systems as the ultimate in self defense. If you have been in the martial arts or personal protection game long enough you have certainly heard this thing tossed around. You may have even heard the source - "according to the LAPD". That statistic is wrong, AND misused. The ASLET conference featured training in joint lock takedowns with retired sergeant John L. Sommers, the very man who conducted the use of force study with the LAPD and designed their defensive tactics program. His study looked at 6000 use of force reports from the LAPD and found that 60% of the time the arresting officer was knocked to the ground. One of the major reasons for this is that California has the 3 strikes rule and recidivist criminals are more likely to fight back to try to get away. Here are some of the main problems with the way this statistic is misused: 1. The percentage is 60% not 90% the numbers are frequently inflated to seem more convincing. While 60% is a majority, that means that more than one third of incidents did not result in an officer being knocked down. Also, the statistics did not measure "fights" but officer use of force reports. 2. The actual study was of officer use of force incidents in LA and did not study self defense situations involving civilians. You cannot apply the data from one representative sample to an entirely different population. If 98% of the population of the Philippines eats rice for three meals a day, you cannot also say that people living in Kansas also eat rice for three meals a day. It is a non-representative sample. 3. The use (misuse) of statistics is frequently combined with false but logical-sounding conclusions. A single data point is used to represent conclusions that the data does not indeed support. This makes an argument sound very credible even when it is not. Example = 100% of all people that consumed carrots in 1889 are now dead - therefore carrots kill you, so you better stop eating them. On top of all this, the statistic is used to make people think that going to the ground is a good idea. To quote Sergeant Sommers, (who worked with the Gracies, the Machados, Benny Urquidez and several other top martial artists) "I don't ever recommend you go to the ground." The very author of the study and designer of the training program thinks going to the ground is a very bad idea. It sounds to me like it is a good idea to stay off the ground but know what to do if you do wind up there. This is what I have been saying, and what law enforcement and military folks have told me for years. Notice I did NOT say that you shouldn't study ground fighting. On the contrary, I think it's very important. But you do not want to waste time doing arm bars and figure 4's, you want to do what you must to get back on your feet as fast as possible. Also keep in mind that the moment you throw somebody to the ground, climb on them, and punch them - you are committing assault and battery in most jurisdictions. The hockey dad case in Massachusetts is an example. Thomas Junta was assaulted in front of his children. He then grounded and punched his assailant who hit his head on the concrete and died. Mr. Junta is now serving time for involuntary manslaughter. Additional information regarding civilian fights. Male versus Male - Age 18 and up In studying real life fights involving this group of civilians, we find that no more than 40% fights ever went to the ground. When the fights did go to the ground, it was typically due to two main reasons: 1. Ineffective technique that led to the combatants becoming fatigued and frustrated and proceeding to a grapple, and then to falling on the ground. 2. One of the combatants actually tripping and falling. Male versus Female - Age 18 and up The percentage is much higher with male versus female. Typically 80% or more. This is due to the nature of the attack. Men attack women for the purpose of control and exploitation, such as rape. Going to the ground is typical for these assaults. Children versus Children It is not uncommon for the typical schoolyard brawl to end up in a wrestling match on the ground. The assaults are usually not intended to inflict physical harm but rather to control. Hence punches and strikes may not be considered. The outcome of these altercations are typically much less severe than real adult confrontations. Found at: http://www.edatkd.com/fighting_myths.htm Edited 1 time.

There are schools that teach every martial art that are total shit, not just KM. I don't understand why the 2 people who have posted have placed a primary emphasis of BJJ. BJJ would be useful if a women is knocked to the ground and a guy is trying to sexually assault her, however strikes to vulnerable parts of a males body or effective use of an ink pen or house/car keys would give a women the opportunity to escape from her attacker.

Krav Maga. KM does not take a lot of physical strength to effectively use the techniques. Although all martial arts take time to master, the basic combatives of KM were created to be learned quickly. I myself a male and many of my female training partners felt confident enough to use KM in a real street situation after training for a relatively short period of time. KM teaches practical self-defense not sport.

Monday 1/15 Deadlift 1x15x230lbs Deep Squat 1x20x186lbs Decline Sit-ups 1x40x25lbs Side Bends 1x10x85lbs each side Heavy Bag Work 5 rounds not timed 20 RHK each leg 1 minute rest b/t rounds 200 total kicks

I played soccer from the age of 8-17. There were a bazillion American youth playing soccer when I was a youth b/t 1978-1987 and there still are. I don't think a professional soccer league will ever be as popular in the US as the NBA, NFL, and MLB. There is to much competition. No commercial timeouts during a soccer game? For whatever reason American sports fans are obsessed with a lot of meaningless or meaningful statistics. The NBA didn't start keeping stats for block shots and steals until the 1970's. "Back in the day", the NBA only gave credit for an assist if the player who recieved a pass didn't put the ball on the floor before he scored a shot. What the hell is so impressive about a double-double. 10 rebounds and 10 points from someone playing the center position. It must be cultural. OMG the Europeans from VF must be in shock to hear me criticised my own culture.

Dah! Are you a natural blonde?

Richard, you must have supernatural powers.

Saturday 1/13 Deep Squat 3x5x220lbs DB Push Press 3x5x60lbs Knuckle Push-ups 2x10