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  1. Although I believe that humans are suppose to eat a Omnivorous diet (if we were not, plant food would provide V B12 somewhere, since it doesn't I have no choice but to believe we suppose to eat animal occasionally).

     

    Welcome.

    Regarding B12, this is often debated. viewtopic.php?t=13102 Here is somebody I posted about that doesn't supplement, and had a B12 test. Then, there's Bigbwii that's a fruitarian. I don't think he supplements, but not sure. Harley, the first one, does eat a lot of wild plants, so the B12 might indeed be coming from some dirt on the plants.

    Of course supplementation is recommended.

  2. http://www.celsias.com/2008/02/22/why-eating-a-big-mac-is-cheaper-than-eating-a-salad/

    http://www.celsias.com/blog/images/pyramid_subsidies.jpg

    We’ve all heard the figures. We know that meat production uses significantly more land and fossil fuel resources than a vegetarian diet. But, then, why on earth is it cheaper to eat meat than fresh fruit and vegetables?

     

    Almost 75% of U.S. government subsidies go into meat and dairy production, but less than half a per cent goes into fruit and vegetable production. Talk about an upside down world!

     

    This is why the Farm Bill, that favours the most destructive and largest food producers, is so significantly out of touch with what you’d hope would be the real goals of society — health of the environment and the people in it.

     

    0.37% for fruits/veg?? If this is true, this is absolute insanity

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    got my b12 test back today. it was 33 now is 110. the min rda range level is 120.

     

    so how on earth did that happen? my b12 went up? was it cos i lowered my fat intake for the last 4 months and my absorption increased?

     

    While this may appear to be a compelling reason to avoid B12 supplementation, it is playing with fire IMO.

    Vit B12 is an essential human vitamin. Every person has a different supply that they will use up before showing signs of deficiency

     

    I agree. But the main thing here is if it's possible to get B12 from a natural plant diet. By the looks of it, if his B12 went up, he must be getting some. B12 is the only real argument about veganism being "unnatural". I suppose one could eat some insect for B12

  4. I found this guy to be really cool. He's cycling around Australia and other countries on just raw plants, no supplements. He even won a durian speed eating competition in Thailand, lol

     

    http://a645.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/l_6c232db45e423510db693cce8e0549fc.jpg

     

    http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1385

    http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12920 Rant thread

    http://www.myspace.com/durianrider

     

    One argument many have with him concerns with B12, that he doesn't supplement.

    Interesting test result he got though(From page 6 on rant thread)

    got my b12 test back today. it was 33 now is 110. the min rda range level is 120.

     

    so how on earth did that happen? my b12 went up? was it cos i lowered my fat intake for the last 4 months and my absorption increased?

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