xveganjoshx Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Sorry you felt that way dude, but it wasn't because of you that it got locked, as you say, it just got out of hand, like many honey topics do I totally read, "..it just got out of hand, like many horny topics do." I'm still laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhobson Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 A "peaceful forum" is a subjective matter. I see deleting posts and locking threads as a VERY hostile move. There seem to be far too many moderators and NO sense of direction or guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I didn't lock that thread, Do you know who did? It would be interesting to hear his/her side of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Plus I think its unfare to most posters when someone gets the final word in and locks the thread. I have the last post in that thread. I didn't lock it. I do have moderator controls, but I told Robert I was only interested in deleting spam. Since I got the mod controls I've hit "edit" a few times on other people's posts when I meant to hit "quote". I'm wondering if I accidentally locked the thread. PLC...don't worry I'm gonna continue to call fat people fat. Even though beforewisdom thinks I'm being a meanypants. That wasn't what I wrote. I wrote that I thought a person's weight in most situations wasn't anyone's business but their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 The mentality of wanting to get the last word in is part of the problem. Once a conversation has got to that point, where people are just trying to trump each other, I think it's pretty futile, I agree. Once it has gotten to that point, even if people aren't overtly calling each other names it amounts to about the same thing and useful interactions have stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 So what if something is offensive? I want to know others opinions and always have the option of avoiding a thread that is too heated for my liking. In my experience by the time the tone of a thread begins getting nasty, all of the opinions are out there to be read. I stay on this forum because it is one of the few places on the internet where people converse on a mostly friendly and mostly mature level. Double that for vegan forums. If a thread gets locked once in a while I am fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I just looked up how to lock a thread. You have to click a tiny link at the bottom of the page, click a check box, submit, and then choose a lock option. Given all of that I don't think I accidentally locked the Double Standards thread. No buttons to accidentally press near what I normally do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I agree. Once it has gotten to that point, even if people aren't overtly calling each other names it amounts to about the same thing and useful interactions have stopped. This is a forum...and just like real life or any other forum there are many 100% useless conversations. Sometimes people just like talking...even if thats in the realm of argument. I'm not saying that it was a useless conversation but if you take out all useless conversation from the form I think this place would disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I meant "useful" as in non-hostile, interesting, informative or simply enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Whats enjoyable is relative. There's a reason why people keep posting on certain thread... whether you like it or not some humans like arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 It isn't about whether I like it or not. Robert doesn't like quarreling. Its his forum, his ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhobson Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 It isn't about whether I like it or not. Robert doesn't like quarreling. Its his forum, his ball. Rob has said many times that this is a "community forum", not "Rob's forum". If it were just Rob's forum, he'd be sitting home typing messages to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Its his forum. He graciously considers other people's preferences, but he doesn't have to and he does make choices ( as he is entitled ) that suits himself first. His preference is not to have quarreling. So, even if people are getting into a nasty exchange of views and enjoying, locking a thread a like that is consistent with what the owner wants for his forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Why don't you let him speak for himself ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I'm explaining my viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I'm explaining my viewpoint. Not really. You're using him as a third person. Personally I think it's disrespectful ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I'm explaining my viewpoint. Not really. You're using him as a third person. Personally I think it's disrespectful ! Tasha, I think I know if I am trying ( & obviously failing ) to explain my viewpoint. I know what my own intentions are. I'm sorry that you are misunderstanding that. Robert has expressed on this forum in the past that he does not like arguing on this forum. I don't see how reiterating that, to explain my opinion about whether threads should be locked is disrespectful to Robert or offensive to you. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xveganjoshx Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I'm offended. This thread should be locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andesuma Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I'm offended. This thread should be locked. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Its his forum. He graciously considers other people's preferences, but he doesn't have to and he does make choices ( as he is entitled ) that suits himself first. His preference is not to have quarreling. So, even if people are getting into a nasty exchange of views and enjoying, locking a thread a like that is consistent with what the owner wants for his forum. Wow...you sure like speaking for others don't you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I don't consider referring to a publically made statement someone has made several times as speaking for them. The topic of this thread is how people feel about locked threads. I gave my view that I think it is sometimes good to lock threads when it has become apparent that the thread has run into being a useless exchange. You offered your view that some people enjoy those kind of exchanges and I offered my view that the person who owns the forum, whose prerogative it is to lock threads does not value those kind of exchanges. This exchange of opinions over a trivial subject seems to have inexplicably generated some exaggerations and hostility, neither of which I personally value. You are welcome to your opinion and I wish you a happy weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Thing is...the person who runs the forum very rarely locked threads. If you look at the threads that have been locked before he had 10 million moderators you'd find they were far more hostile than any thread we've had in many many months. The threads that have been locked since have been baby arguments that have yet to really get blown out of proportion. There are lots of things that are said in the forum that I don't like...if I liked everything I wouldn't argue but then again...thats part of life. This forum wouldn't be the place it is today if it weren't for the eclectic group we have...lot it or hate it. I choose to love it and leave it be...even when I disagree. I'm not gonna be a baby, shut my ears after saying what I want to say...then lock the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lean and Green Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 gosh i really try to avoid controversy and getting in the middle of things when the pot is stirred but perhaps it would be a good idea if the person who locked the thread would just step up and make themselves known. There are fifteen of us, not like it's the whole forum pool so it has to be one of us. It wasn't me and beforewisdom said no as well so that only leaves 13 others. Anyone care to explain why they did it and if they needed to delete a post or something before hand; it is only right. I think that is just common courtesy to take responsibility for your actions. And honestly put a timeframe on it, if no one fesses up in say the next 5 days, then just unlock the damn thing b/c the person who did it didn't care enough to follow through and give just cause. What's the big deal? Like when Richard locked the bee product thread, he publicly made it known that it was him doing so and stated why which is respectable and just. Opinions were expressed and people learned from it and then that was that. For the record, I did not ask to become a mod for like some power trip or something; Robert pmmed and asked me, presumably because I was in the thread complaining about porn saying we should do something and also most likely b/c I am logged on often and it was beneficial at the time for me to help press the delete button. If the sentiment is that we should have less names on the page of members being called mods than i have absolutely no problem in stepping down and just being considered a member. I am just happy to be a part of VBBF and contribute in any way possible. To me everyone is equally important and family, from the person who lurks, to the person who just registered to the one who had just made their intro, someone who posts often or those who go one once in awhile during their spare time. And just like most families, there are differences. I cannot think of any group of people I have more arguments and misunderstandings with than my immediate family. It's just human nature. With the overwhelmingly positive vibe around here, it's understandable that when controversy harbors over threads, that people feel slighted or what have you b/c it sticks out when most posts are passive and peaceful. It's all good. WORK IT OUT and then GO WORK OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 As I recall, Robert upped the number of moderators in order to deal with the issue of spam. My understanding is that the spam attacks have ended with the new upgrade. Why do we still have so many moderators? Perhaps most of the new mods could just go back to being members in order to avoid this situation in the future? Thanks to all of you who have been moderators. It's a thankless job and I'm happy that all of you stepped forward so that others could decline the offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I think that is just common courtesy to take responsibility for your actions. And honestly put a timeframe on it, if no one fesses up in say the next 5 days, then just unlock the damn thing b/c the person who did it didn't care enough to follow through and give just cause. What's the big deal? I agree. I don't have a problem with locking threads, in general. However, a note explaining things would have been nice and would still be nice. Maybe the person who locked the thread isn't responding because they haven't come back to the site since then. FWIW, I run a local vegan/vegetarian email list. Controlling things through software often isn't necessary when you are dealing with reasonable people. Usually all I have to do is to *ask* the list 2-3 times to tone it down. That usually works. For the record, I did not ask to become a mod for like some power trip or something; Robert pmmed and asked me, presumably because I was in the thread complaining about porn saying we should do something and also most likely b/c I am logged on often and it was beneficial at the time for me to help press the delete button. Ditto. I volunteered to delete porn and made it clear to Robert that is all I would do. LOL, it was tempting to do otherwise when we had that nasty homophobic kid here a week or so go. If the sentiment is that we should have less names on the page of members being called mods than i have absolutely no problem in stepping down and just being considered a member. Ditto. The porn and spam no longer seem to be a problem. I'm guessing that is because of our early rising European friends who clean it all up before I get here, but if the software is taking care of that automatically I don't need to be a moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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