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Damn, why did I cut my cable! Oh yeah, because everything other than free UFC on Spike TV is crap! Torrent time!

Wow, this is an old, er, well established forum! Was it hand-written back then?

Your weight training should help you. Suz should post here - she rocks the pull-ups. But she started with just one. Do you want to do underhand or overhand, wide grip?

At one time it was Slayer, Rollins Band and Pantera for me too. Esp Pantera. Suicidal Tendencies too, but Institutionalized or Lights, Camera, Revolution, not the lame stuff that they did more recently. This is all back when I was an angry youth. These days there's only the sound of yelling or the occasional moan and a lot of thumping noises. That reads funny - I'm trying to describe how my kickboxing gym sounds.

Yeah, he didn't really get a chance to state his case. There is some value in it tho - his book got a few nice seconds of screen time and hopefully a few viewers out there (and some youtube watchers as well) will look it up on amazon and buy it. As the saying goes, all publicity is good publicity.

Oh yeah, thanks for starting the topic, JW!

Just noticed this thread - I should have checked the forum while I was on vacation. Like so many others here, I've just started down the path. It seems that becoming vegan opens a door to Buddhism that might not have been opened otherwise. A book that I found very helpful, and still refer to all the time is the Dhammapada (translated by Gil Fronsdal). It is surprisingly relevant for an ancient text. And very easy to understand. I have been to many websites, and have a number of books. My approach is to be patient, learn a bit at a time and practice the basic precepts. Buddhism is very easy to practice to some extent at least, and I find great comfort in it when I'm down on the world around me. Thanks for all your insight Jonzen. Reaching the point you have is an accomplishment. In 1 1/2 years, we're hoping to spend our 10th anniversary in Thailand and Buddhism is the major reason for that choice. This has been one of the best threads on this forum I've read so far. I'm very encouraged.

Phew! Glad I switched to rice milk! Now there's some junk science!

Yeah, if you think the other player's actions warrant it. I played soccer from the age of 5 to 18, then quit after half a season of men's league because of the brutal checking and fighting. I'm not a big guy, so some of those checks sent me flying, and the refs were too afraid of the players to discipline them. If the league had done something, I might have kept playing. If your league is getting rough, might be a good thing to report foul play. Maybe others will follow your example and you can just get on with playing the game. It's sad to see a great sport like soccer marred by a few idiots.

I had the displeasure of working on a low budget gore flick this past summer (will remain unnamed but it starred Henry Rollins). I felt queasy just watching some of the scenes being filmed, and knowing that the body parts were all latex and seeing the actors in and out of character. I'm not much of a horror movie fan. I was really scared watching Ridley Scott's Alien the first time tho. And when I was a kid "Monkey Shines" scared the crap out of me. That George Romero knows how to scare people...

No, Richard I'm holding it! It's just intentionally bad photoshopping. Altho, I keep going to the freezer and looking at it, so maybe it is replacing my head!

Feeling anger is okay, showing it, and worse, acting on it is not. It is so hard sometimes to contain oneself. I had a similar situation happen to me a month ago - I had a rib broken by a guy who kicked me while I held my glove out to touch gloves at the beginning of a sparring bout. I didn't know he broke my rib when it happened but it was a cheap shot, and it hurt. I was angry, but I had a "grasshopper" moment. I decided to not let him see my pain and instead, just beat him soundly, respectfully and within the rules (kickboxing rules, which allow sound beatings ). After I had xrays I was angry again. I haven't been able to fight in a month, and I won't be able to for at least another month. I took my frustrations out on punching bags a few times, which actually is like taking it out on myself, because I worked myself to total exhaustion. Then I felt okay about my karma. And I know the cheapshot guy's karma will take care of him. I never even had words with him about it, and I see him at the gym all the time. This was the first time I've been able to contain myself to this extent and it feels very rewarding, in a Buddhist kind of way. Most martial arts schools would prescribe a similar reaction. So, your reaction wasn't so bad, JW, you could have done much worse than a few terse words and you didn't. But more importantly, you acknowledge and dislike your reaction. That's the part that eludes most people these days.

Above 40!? I'm still in my 30s! I think it's actually less about age difference and more about all the communities that have formed on the internet. Like the vegan bodybuilding forum for example. There so many new "dialects" it's impossible to keep up on everything. If you break it down into age groups, the generation gap is probably only a few months, or even a few weeks. And don't worry, mulletass, I wasn't offended by anything, just havin' fun.

I really enjoy this section of the forum, so I thought I'd finally post my own ramblings. Follow the links to the blog section on my website for a few recent musings... http://www.veganunderground.com/debrief.html From Fri. Nov 24th: un ban on bottom trawling? ___ Nope. Thanks to opposition to the UN-sanctioned moratorium on bottom trawling from Iceland and Canada, their efforts have failed. There will be no ban on one of the most destructive commercial fishing methods used today. The moratorium would have affected international waters, where bottom trawling fleets operate. Canada’s Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, Loyola Hearn has been an outspoken opponent of the moratorium since its inception, saying that it would be unenforceable. Canadian fish companies have opposed the moratorium because they’re worried they’d face similar restrictions inside their 200-mile economic exclusion zones. The Canadian fishing industry employs bottom trawling on both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. Loyola Hearn is just another commercial fishing-lobby puppet. He effuses rhetoric at every public opportunity, saying things like, “We have the opportunity now collectively to clean up what’s been going on in the oceans for a number of years.” But nothing will change. He just helped quash a major opportunity to clean up fishing practices. He’s acting in the interests of the factory fishing corps that line his pockets. Remember, this man also vigorously supports the Canadian seal hunt, which employs out-of-work-due-to-collapsed-fisheries fishermen. He places the blame for the demise of the cod fishery on the harp seal. Visit this site for more about the seal hunt. So what is being done? The countries involved in the talks agreed to more closely monitor their own fishing fleets and “restrict activities found to be damaging sensitive marine areas.” I am sure they won’t “find” that bottom trawling is damaging, because that wouldn’t be in their best interests. For the fishing industry, bottom trawling is only about bottom line, not sustainability. Jennifer Lash, executive director of Living Oceans Society, said in reaction, “Canada didn’t kill the deal, but they were definitely an accomplice... You’ve got the worst offenders now monitoring their own ships. Where is the incentive for them to change?” This is why the failed ban is such a blow to ocean conservation. If it had been imposed in international waters, the spotlight would have next shone on regional fisheries, like those in Canada. This would have pressured the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans to impose more sustainable fishing practices on the multinational fishing corporations that rape and pillage our waters. The same process would hopefully have occurred in other fishing nations. Thiswon’t happen now. These corporations have successfully defended their balance sheets once again. The failure of the ban has nothing to do with enforceability. That’s just bullshit made to sound like political tough-talk. Whether the UN can actually enforce the ban is not as important as taking a step in the right direction. The member nations could have banded together, stood as nations rather than corporate shelters and done something to save the imploding ocean ecosystems. It is shameful that Canada played such a big part in this, although business as usual for the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans. They’re not known as “the mafia” for nothing afterall. posted by veganunderground # 4:30 PM

Yeah, I'm not basing any judgment of the product on that. Maybe it was too acidic? Left out of the fridge for a while in transport? Coulda' been the long hours on the road too. I'd try it again, tho probably a different flavour just to be safe! I don't know if I can get Bolthouse juices in Canada. We have a local co called Happy Planet - much the same thing and very tasty and healthy.

Yeah, lots of cardio, don't worry about protein so much and just work out every day. Body weight excercises are cheap and can be very effective. You'll get there. And no more muffins!

Is this what they call the "generation gap"? Welcome to the board, mulletass.

Welcome, Vixen. I was just in SF - you have some great places to eat there. I checked out Cafe Gratitude at EatRaw's urging, and Millennium of course. If you're ever in Sausalito, there's a place there called Avatar's that's real vegan-friendly (not a vegetarian restaurant tho) and pretty good too. I'm also jealous of the produce available in California - a lot better than up here in Canada.

Yeah, I like Foster Perry too. Sounds like a movie character name. Welcome, Micah.

Welcome, Pim. Yeah, France must be a tough place for vegans, but hey, North America's no picnic either. As for friends and family not believing in your choice, well, I think that's something most of us go thru. You can accomplish a lot with body weight only. I rarely pick up a weight (I'm not a bodybuilder) - you've already checked out bigbwii's site - he's a great resource. You could do parkour, being that you live in the land of parkour. I'm not a traceur myself, but go out with friends from time to time and rip it up. Anyway, you found a good bunch of vegans here. http://parkour.net/index.php?sel_lang=english&lang=fr

welcome, Rico12... not all of us here are bodybuilders. This forum can definitely help you get in shape tho!

Suz and I are trying! I think we're eating about 70% raw now. Almost entirely raw during the week, and slightly relaxed on weekends. It's been good for training! We'll increase our raw ratio after xmas - rumour has that a dehydrator will be in santa's sack this year...

I think what I'm doing now is the most practical. It's almost entirely stand-up kickboxing, we train to fight under SKF, IKF or Muay Thai rules. There's no real muay thai tradition, but a fair bit of karate as far as that goes. But it's upright stances, real world fighting techniques. We don't do elbows at the club, but leg kicks and knees to body are allowed. Clinches and some throws are also used. And it's a great workout - has gotten me into the best shape of my life. My club is a bit of a belt factory, it has a lot of members, but I think they're there to pay for the good facility for the serious people to train at. We have some pro fighters at the club who have done well, one even has a K1 title. So it's a practical style as far as competitive kickboxing goes, okay for self defence purposes - we do a bit of JJ and take-down defence. Actually our head sensei is in Las Vegas training for a UFC bout so I bet we'll see more ground fighting in the future at our club. When I was younger I did a really rigid style of karate that wasn't practical at all. The other styles I've only really dabbled in. Wing Chun didn't seem effective except against other wing chun (I only did a few classes). Altho I know a few stunt guys who do wing chun and shaolin and can use it for real. Pretty cool to watch those guys fight. Consensus is BJJ or JJ is probably the most practical self defence. I think mixing BJJ and Muay Thai/Kickboxing/Kempo would be the ultimate preparation for any fight or self defence situation. One of the best fighters I know is a heavy weight Muay thai/pankration fighter named Paul Lazenby (now retired from fighting to be an announcer for Bodog Fights). The whole self defence thing is a bit scary anyway, I don't want to have to ever use martial arts for real because it's way to easy to get stabbed or worse in those situations.

BJJVegan - funny, 'cause when I've got my black belt, and have a few more full-contact fights under my belt I plan to do some real BJJ. Want to be more of a complete, well-rounded martial artist, not so much mma fighter. At 33, I'm kinda old to start fighting mma and I've got too much else going on. I've always admired the sheer deadliness of BJJ. Submissions just come out of nowhere sometimes! I'm a big fan of GSP's style - so well-rounded. Also noticed the similarity of the sigs of the martial artists on this forum...

I had one this morning as I drove back from SF - bought it in Oregon somewhere, a green one with kiwi. I've been feeling sick and bloated since I drank it. Checked the date -- shoulda' been fine.