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I met Rory Freedman at Tom Regan's conference in October. Completely charming person. She is one of those people who is naturally good and shines in front of people.

Well, some guys don't want thick legs either. I'm one of them. My legs get muscular very easily. Even if I didn't get mysterious pains when I squat I would be concerned with me legs getting wide to the point that pants would fit right and that my legs would rub together when I walk.

I wouldn't pay money to have someone build you forum software from scratch. Just upgrade to the latest version and if it doesn't have a feature people really want pay someone to modify the code. I think the technical features of the current forum ( minus the bugs ) are enough. Technical features ( or lack thereof ) have long since ceased being an issue for what makes a web forum a good web forum. The dominant issues are administration. Either the admins are too heavy handed which spoils the enjoyment of discourse or they are too liberal, letting pissing contests spoil the atmosphere, letting trolls run rampant, or enforcing their own policies in self serving unfair ways. The best admins run their boards and talk to their subscribers as someone throwing a dinner party in their private home would treat their guests. You already do that. Just make that debug message go away and I would be happy.

What I like about this forum as opposed to others has nothing to do with technical aspects ( aside from making those debug messages go away ). I like that you stop intra-vegan pissing contests and pump positive, friendly energy into the atmosphere to make it into a friendly place. Most other forums are congregations of the perpetually offended looking for a virtual fight.

It's been my experience that having the "edit" button indefinitely becomes a problem eventually. People don't think twice before posting something inflammatory, because they think "well, I can always go back and edit it later." And if there is no edit button for them to do that then the inflammatory message stays up there to heat things up into a flame war. If someobody posts something nasty, it is a blessing that they remove it sooner than later. If someone is doing that a lot to bait people, then hide or if they are just being frivolous an admin can talk to them and not take the edit button away from everyone else. In the end, people own what they write. No offense, I just disagree with you on this.

How do you keep your legs from getting thick? I think many people, particularly women don't want their legs to get large, especially since most pants are made for spindly legged people.

Whenever I do any kind of pressing motion with my legs I get sharp pains on the outside side of my knees, as if someone just jabbed a knitting needle into it. Once I make some goals I am going to try to find some kind of orthopedic specialist to tell me what it is about. My "web diagnosis" is IT band syndrome, but an ocean of stretching hasn't made it go away.

I read an article where Newkirk was quoted as saying that the movie made her look bad. Maybe she has heard it all before and is incapable of changing, but perhaps seeing the criticisms of her in a movie will be the critical mass needed for her to consider that she should change her ways.

One of the reasons I am on this forum and that I like it is that there aren't any pissing contests about who is more AR/vegan than someone else. There are other boards and forums that allow that sort of thing. Indeed, I can think of a few that seem to be about nothing else.

Have "mark all posts" command, where once you have perused all of the new posts, hitting this command will make all of the older posts disappear so you can't see them when you hit the "new posts" link.

This also, thankfully, hasn't been necessary yet, but how about the ability to filter out messages from particular sub boards from the "new posts" links. For example, there is a sub board for "running", which a user is not interested in at all, but the user likes using the "new posts" link. Give the user the ability to set something so posts from the "running" sub board will not appear when s/he hits "new posts".

Thankfully an "ignore this user" feature is not necessary here, but it might become necessary someday in the future. What I hate about this feature on other web boards is that it only blanks out their original message. You still see threads they start and quotes from their messages. My preference for "ignore this user" functions is to make everything from that person disappear, as if they weren't on the forum at all. Sort of like the old killfiles from usenet.

Robert, all of the features you mentioned in the original post, plus giving individuals the ability to turn off any of those things that s/he doesn't want.

If somebody posts a long URL it pushes the html forum wider out of shape. Some forums will shorten the label for the URL, which is better, but that sucks if you want to come back later to copy a URL out of the forum and paste it somewhere else. If you are having someone do custom programming it would be cool if they could make long URLs wrap within the message area.

Stop taking the "edit" button away after a certain amount of time. I know the idea behind this is to prevent trollish types from saying one thing to inflame people and then editing their posts so they can claim they said something else. The thing is, if people do that kind of BS everyone else knows that and that person will/should be ejected anyway. In the meantime people who hurriedly write posts and are embarrassed by errors later....after the "edit" button is gone can't fix their poor writing

Many web board posts get picked up by search engines, so the whole world sees your conversations. After getting picked up by search engines and webcrawlers you posts get archived in web archive sites where it is time consuming......if at all possible, to get those sites ( if you are aware of them ) to remove your posts. You can automatically put code into the HTML for forum posts to tell web crawlers and other robots not to pick up the posts. Many web boards are now doing this. This is something I would like.

I don't mean any insult to the original poster. People really need to ask "who is the author and how does s/he know what they know?" before they believe what they read in regards to health and fitness. Not to be insulting to you either, but what DV knows is based on real science and studies, unlike the crackpot theories that are highly prevalent in the article that was being commented on. Not to insult you either but reading comprehension is also important . I meant the original poster, as in the original poster of this THREAD, not DV .

That looks like a fun trip. I really need to get out west.

It looks like the top two dates have equal support. Given that, I would say go with the July date as it will not conflict at all with AR 2008

I don't mean any insult to the original poster. People really need to ask "who is the author and how does s/he know what they know?" before they believe what they read in regards to health and fitness.

Stage fright......like I wrote. It is very easy to give a hard time ( "confront" ) to people you are familiar with who are a bit of a captive audience like coworkers, friends and family. It takes slighlty ( only slightly ) more courage to go out in public and approach a stranger in a positive way to try to persuade them. That is why you read so many stories from web board vegans about hounding their family and friends for years...even though those people have expressed disinterest....instead of going into the streets for a "much easier sell" to convert open minded strangers in a crowd.

That is decadent. I was a fan of David Karadine's "Kung Fu" series. A few years ago I bought the series on DVD ( it holds up very well over time ). I got the impression that they ate nothing but rice

IMHO, the people who I have seen like that are not so much lazy as they are afraid to do the work of spreading AR, which is mostly approaching people they don't know to persuade them. It is simple stage fright, like having problems giving a public speech. For some reason they either never see that or never put in the gumption to just get over it.

He didn't choose not to defend himself because he doesen't have "balls".... As he clearly stated in a previous post, he tries to stay as positive as possible and he is very spiritual, therefore he took the high road by stating his position and not continuing the ping-pong match. I just find it very ironic that Dr. Joe got more support and encouragement on one of the biggest meat-eating hard-core bodybuilding boards out there, than he did on a board of what is supposed to be "like-minded" individuals. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4360853&highlight=Vegan+bodybuilder Thanks for posting this, VP. He's now gone from this forum so at least I know where to find him. I concur DV. No offense meant veganpotter but to many people a web board is just a web board. There are no issues for them about being tough, sticking things out, etc. It is just words on a screen to them and they value other things more than arguing with someone they don't know and will likely never meet. FWIW, my views about veganism are more similar to yours.

Its not about you. I'm telling Robert what I have seen from the D.C. Metro Area vegan community as related to the local list I was on and the people I have met doing positive volunteering work. I guessed that the same patterns here are what happened to Robert in his community in Oregon. People who do things will get gossiped about and attacked by people who don't.