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I used your sources!!! YOUR OWN SOURCES to prove you're WRONG! I have to add something. Even if your own source say that: "That economy, we know the estimates by the most authoritative and recent study put the suppressed wages at $200 billion a year, as a result of immigration, both legal and illegal." ...that is not something money is LOST in since it keeps the inflation low. As a result, purchasing power parity is higher which means that the 200 billion is just a number and the people in the U.S. can buy about as much stuff (or maybe even more) as they could without immigration (MOST OF WHICH IS LEGAL). You stated "facts" which are INCORRECT and you can verify what I say if you look at YOUR OWN SOURCES (from which I even copy&pasted the lines for your convenience!). For what do I need more resources? CHECK YOUR OWN SOURCES AND YOU'LL SEE YOU ARE WRONG. W-R-O-N-G. Your whole land was built on immigration. How much did that cost? Even if you think illegal immigration is a problem THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT TO LIE TO US! You really don't have a problem saying things that aren't true if you think it is needed to make people hate illegal immigrants? That is something we saw in Germany in 1930's and it's called propaganda.

Let's look at other bullshit here. I do know that your education system has flaws but it's REALLY childish to think that after spending 12 billion USD they still can't speak English? GROW UP! Anchor babies are NOT illegal aliens even though their parents are. If you are born in the U.S. and still live in the U.S. you are not illegal alien. Still you think that money is going to "illegal aliens". How would you feel that someone told you that you are an illegal alien even though you would live in the same country you were BORN! Your source says: "taxpayers spend more than $3 million every day to house non-U.S. citizen dollars in our federal prisons. Most are thought to be illegal aliens." "MOST ARE THOUGHT" = in your terms "ALL". Same as above: "30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens." <- they aren't all illegal aliens. Could not verify that from source. F**KING BULLSHIT!!! Your source says: "That economy, we know the estimates by the most authoritative and recent study put the suppressed wages at $200 billion a year, as a result of immigration, both legal and illegal." MOST OF THE IMMIGRANTS ARE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, YOU GET THEM OVER 1 MILLION MORE EVERY YEAR!!!!! You have like 12 million illegal aliens which is way less than what you get with the rate of 1 million per year from legal immigration. LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! Could not verify that from source. Could not verify that from source, the URL of the source for that number in the URL you pasted here doesn't work. This was considered bullshit already in earlier posts. Only you are that stupid to believe everything you read from the Internets. How can anyone be so blind to the facts? I think you owe an apology to the people for telling lies. Even if you just copy paste LIES which are practically racist, you are a liar! Liar!

You're misstating the facts. That money isn't spent on illegal immigrants. It's spent on ALL immigrants, legal and illegal. For the illegals, it also includes money for their children born in the US who are American citizens. How could you make such a stupid statement. I more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on legal aliens, it's illegal aliens that is the problem. What part of the word Illegal is it that you don't understand? I didn't state those facts I just presented them here to a bunch of Liberal Idealists who haven't a grasp on reality, or their wallet. I correct you for presenting false facts and you wonder how anyone can make such a stupid statement? Oh wow. Check your f**king source hillbilly. THAT MONEY ISN'T SPENT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ONLY BUT ALL IMMIGRANTS. ALL. LEGAL AND ILLEGAL. Your "facts" are utter bullshit since most immigrants are legal in the U.S. which means that 11-22 billion USD is grossly overestimated since most of it goes to LEGAL immigrants.

OK I'll continue with number two: Wrong. Your source clearly sais that "food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion)" Check your facts. And also note that the kids who need school lunches are going to work hard for their new home country and they'll pay their share back in taxes easily.

I have an idea. Take the first post from VeganJoe and prove that his claims are bullshit. I'll start with the first one: You're misstating the facts. That money isn't spent on illegal immigrants. It's spent on ALL immigrants, legal and illegal. For the illegals, it also includes money for their children born in the US who are American citizens.

Well, for starters, Denise Nicole has been at Arnold Classic... She writes here with a nick SeaSiren. Bio: http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_denise Also, welcome to the board!

Welcome! Whoa, quite a story! If you have old pics it would be nice to see how you change from a fat guy to a fit guy! Your disability sounds like a nasty one. Anyway, lots of ppl get great results doing low weight high reps, so if you don't have pain doing them you can still get serious muscle!

Welcome, Steven! Wow, sounds like alcohol isn't your thing. I love beer but I only use it moderately, a couple every now and then. Anyway, great to hear you're doing well. Keep getting enough whole foods and we'll help you to gain even more weight, in your muscles of course. Don't hesitate to ask questions. The ppl here know everything about vegan nutrition and working out!

Welcome, Jeremy! Remember to take pics of your progress! If you are as big as I think you are, you should post pics right away!

Welcome! I love reading stuff like that. People just FEEL the difference when changing meat to veggies! Great introduction, imho.

Actually Finnish people on average seem to know more about the U.S. than Americans. We have pretty much the best education system in the world and majority of the people know what's happening in the world. Your country would do fine if all immigration was legal. Illegal immigrants have problems with law because they have no civil rights. If you want people to start obeying the law, give them legal rights ffs, not judge them for being from a poor country! If the foreign policy of the U.S. worked, Mexico would be developing at the same pace as Estonia, which has become wealthy really fast partly because Finnish companies started investing huge amounts of money in there after USSR collapsed and Estonia became independent. Open the borders for people but tighten the control for arms and drugs. Is there any other change? There is no way to keep foreigners away as long as things suck in Mexico. Mexico is pretty much the only poor country in the world right next to a ridiculously rich country. BTW, VeganEssentials had great comments. I agree many people abuse illegal immigrants, but they can always choose to return. As long as there is such a thing as illegal immigrants they will be abused. But abuse doesn't take away the fact that they still are benefical to the economy of the U.S... and thx for the Builder Bars, got them today.

Welcome! It seems that Eat to Live has a huge influence in lots of people. I remember many introductions with similar story! If you can't find answers to any questions with search function, keep asking for more info! Lots of people here are willing to help you!

U.S. economics would be deeply and really heavily f***ed up if there were no illegal aliens. Fruits would be a LOT more expensive and huge amounts of people would have no housemaids. Hundreds of thousands of people from Mexico and other central American countries are working in clothing industry -> American clothes would be a lot more expensive without illegal aliens. Spain gave ALL the illegal aliens civil rights a few years ago. It solved many of the problems. You should try that too. Also, in Europe if there's a rich country somewhere, ALL the neighbor countries become rich too very soon. U.S. is the richest country in the world but still the countries to the south of U.S. are developing countries. With fair trade & proper economics Mexico and other central American countries would be so rich already that no one would want to move to U.S... I really like many U.S. citizens but I think American foreign policy sucks major ass.

Sun 19th October - Deep squats, barbell: warm up @ 50kg, then 8 + 7 + 6 @ 84kg (reps going up all the time!) - Deadlifts, just some singles @ 50, 92 and 130kg... felt weak after squats -> I'll do them properly in a couple of days - Bent-over row, barbell: 7 + 7 + 7 @ 92kg - Shrugs, barbell: 10 + 10 + 9 @ 92kg

Happy birthday! You just keep getting bigger and stronger! Maybe your body hasn't realized yet that you aren't a youngster anymore. I hope it never will!

I think it's because he's not vegan. Judging by his physique only he should have gotten a lot more votes. Thanks HCPG! It's just because of proper lighting. I don't look like that all the time.

Thanks bronco, now I know what I'm doing! Haha xjohanx I can try and ask people "Do you want to eat me?" @ Robert, awesome if I can motivate you! Keep pumpin and keep getting bigger! Wed 15th October 1h 45min bboying Fri 17th October - Bench press, barbell: warm up @ 50kg, then 7 + 7 + 5 @ 82kg (last time 7 + 6 + 5 -> progress!) - Hang power clean, curl bar: 3 + 3 + 1½ @ 50 kg (heavy s**t!) - Bicep curls, curl bar: 6 + 4 + 4 @ 50kg (110lbs! but these were fugly) I have a headache so I'll continue tomorrow or on Sunday.

I got the invitation ages ago. Sorry, I haven't sent any pics before because I have been waiting to get some really flattering pics of me before putting them to the profiles page. I want to represent veganism as well as possible. I will be posting pics very soon!

Welcome! Basically you need to take care of just a couple of things: - Calcium: eat lots of seeds and take some calcium supplemented soy milk or other similar products and you'll be fine. - B12: it takes years to develop B12 deficiency since it is stored in your body and you need like 1 microgram per day. - D-vitamin if you don't live in sunny areas. D2 is vegetable based but you need it more than D3 which is animal derived. - Essential fatty acids. Use a lot of rapeseed oil & other sources of omega 3 and you'll be fine! Congratulations for a wise choise to become vegan!

Wow, thanks! I hadn't seen those yet! There were a lot more flattering pics available, I look kinda small in those pics... Well, I'm SUPPOSED TO look small because I'm already a LOT bigger than in those pics.

Come on ppl, VOTE! (you don't have to vote for me... but I know there are a lot of users who haven't voted yet)

Thanks bronco! Actually I did it like the vid above, so I didn't lift the cleans from the floor. Guess it's actually not clean at all but I got good pump with it so it's all good. Mon 13th October - Bench press, barbell: warmup @ 50kg & 62kg, 1 @ 94kg (super easy), f @ 100kg (lolfail), f @ 100kg (REALLY close!), 7 + 6 + 5 @ 82kg - Dips: 13 + 13 + 8 @ bw - Clean & press, curl bar: 5 + 5 + 5 @ 45kg (like last time) - Bicep curls, curl bar: 9 + 7 + 7 @ 45kg Next time I'll take that mf'ing 100kg (220lbs) bench press. I already thought I got it but about halfway there I lost my strength.

It's so great to see you're doing a lot of stuff with free weights. Most of the girls just go with the machines. Well, that's why they don't get proper results. You go girl! Also, you GOTTA try deadlifts. The girls who come to my private gym love to deadlift. And they're getting stronger really fast!

Congratulations hsorlando! HCPG, show them what vegans are made of and lift some heavy ass weights in your shirt!! Why should I be happy? I HIT 180 LBS BODYWEIGHT for the first time in my life!

@ xphilx: Thanks mate! Agree, gotta look good in disco! @ xjohanx: I AM as disco as it gets! Also, I am getting quite good results with my disco training. Sun 12th October Still a bit sore from the last training. Just deadlifts today. FYI: 150kg = 330lbs and 130kg = 287lbs. Deadlift: warm up @ 70kg, then 1 @ 118kg, 2 @ 150kg, 1 @ 150kg, 1 @ 130kg -> I realized that I need gloves. My hands hurt. -> I found some old gloves and took some more reps: 6 @ 130kg, 5 @ 130kg. EDIT EDIT EDIT!!! EVENING WEIGHT 81.6 KG = 180 LBS I could drink some water and get myself over 82 kg but I don't see a reason. I reached 180 lbs and that was my target for now. Next target: get my morning weight over 80 kg (176-177lbs) all the time. Now I am a bit less if I'm a bit dehydrated.