beforewisdom Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 roids actually make your testicals wither away. They are supposed to recover if you stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawberryriddick Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Great post...but there will be those who claim "Yeah, but it was only for 12 weeks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I've been eating soy foods for over 28 years. I rarely eat the highly processed ones. I stick to things like the beans themselves, tempeh, miso, tofu. I haven't had any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTaylor Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 It is really worth noting post. Thanks for posting this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeB Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think I had a soy rage condition similar to what DV was describing years ago. I was at my lifting peak at that time. Thanks soy! I have a keen interest in the ladies and all my stuff works like it should. so yeah...I've transitioned away from soy isolates for the most part, I don't feel as good when I consume them frequently. Maybe that's just psychological though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickassmuscle Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I prefer Soy, way healthy and better than the rest. Just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuBuwu Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 From what I have seen of the soy hysteria, protein powders would seem to be the worst, so if those do not have adverse effects natural soy foods are less likely too. I was perusing a forum I usually no longer read. A nutrition major who has been vegan and taking large amounts of soy protein powder daily for two years ( about 170 grams )went to his doctor and insisted on having blood work for all of the boogey man substances people try to scare vegans with. All of his nutrients were high. His estrogen levels were low normal for a man his age. His testosterone levels were high normal for a man his age. Years ago when such things still worried me I got PMed a similar account from a middle aged weight lifting buff who went and had his hormones measured after years of heavily hitting the soy. Sure enough, everything came back normal. It isn't the best thing in the world to eat extracts instead of whole foods, nor is it good to not get variety. However, I think the anti-soy stuff is hype. Soy Beans.....yes, even the straight beans taste great. They are a wealth of nutrition beyond just protein. They are also CHEAP and CHEAP compared to foods offering similar level of individual nutrients. Soy is a real threat to livestock and dairy producers, both of which have loads of money to fund FUD. I have tempeh, soy beans, or tofu 2-3 times a week. I am going to enjoy them from now on without any doubt. Yeah, I agree with you generally, though I have to say that I think GM soy is a different thing entirely. I read a few studies and it appears that the protein molecules get all twisted up and messed around when they genetically modify them and that makes them extremely hard to digest. Obviously, things which are extremely hard to digest are not a good idea to eat on a regular basis. However, that said, I dont see a problem with eating non GM soy and it's what I normally take as its currently the only non-animal protein available in Spain. I haven't had any problems with it and I do like the taste, but I haven't had noticable results and I have also been concerned about the way they pack artificial sweetners and flavours into it!! I dont know if its the same in the US but here, every soy protein powder is full of other nasties! Well, to combat that, I've finally got a group of people together from my gym, who eat meat, but are willing to go in on a bulk shipment for pea protein from the UK and that's gonna work out at less than 10 euros a kilo so I'm very happy! I like to combine my proteins and as I take soy milk, soy yoghurt, soy cream, textured soya protein etc in my everyday diet, well I don't want to take soy protein supplements too! I've read, and I'm sure that you know better than I do, that soy has an inhibitor of a certain amino acid (not sure which one off hand) which is very important for muscle growth...from what I've read, pea protein however, has a much better amino acid profile..anyway I'll let you know how I get on with the pea protein But to sum up, I dont think soy is bad for your health, just personally, it hasn't delivered results for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I've read, and I'm sure that you know better than I do, that soy has an inhibitor of a certain amino acid (not sure which one off hand) which is very important for muscle growth... Is there any truth to this claim? I've read it in some articles a couple of times, but I'm not sure whether it's true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Is there any truth to this claim? I've read it in some articles a couple of times, but I'm not sure whether it's true or not. Found the answer myself: Soy and anti-nutrients: Trypsin inhibitors? Phytic acid? No, these aren't characters from the new Shrek movie. These are anti-nutrients found in soy foods. The good news is that they're deactivated by cooking and fermentation. So, consumed cooked and fermented soy foods won't inhibit protein and mineral absorption. Also, phytic acid may have anti-cancer properties. Source: http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/soy_whats_the_big_deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oatsandpotatoes Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 This is bullshit, I don't even trust most of the studies done in the U.S. on Soy. It's corporate America, they tell you what makes them money, for years they have been telling us milk makes your bones stronger, well why the hell are so many many women getting diagnosed with osteoporosis. Why are so many women needing hip replacements now. Bullshit, look at the studies done in U.K at Oxford university. All the estrogen they pump into beef is what's giving so many boys bitch tits and making girls hit puberty at 9 or even 8. All nonsense. Soy will always be healthier than beef or milk or any other meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeB Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I'm sure there is an amount of soy that is bad for you, I just haven't reached it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 This truly is an important issue to keep a close eye on . I use pea protien and drink rice milk . Im guessing too much of anything might cause health problems , even soy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neven Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Wow, now the mystery is finally solved for me. Soy mustve given me the "gay" too. Next you will tell us that roids will make us straight again. If I go gay I'll go for steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryan Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Oh my God, I just ate two full things of tofu and now I'm feeling strong urges to look at naked pictures of guys on the Interwebz WHAT IS GOING ON!!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!!!!1 HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seitan_man Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 How about the claim that soy isn't in fact a complete protein as it has limited amounts of a couple essential amino acids? This tends to be written quite often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen_Horse Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 "...the analytical method that is universally recognized by the FAO/WHO (1990) as well as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), United States Department of Agriculture, United Nations University (UNU) and the National Academy of Sciences when judging the quality of protein is Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score, as it is viewed as accurately measuring the correct relative nutritional value of animal and vegetable sources of protein in the diet.[12][13] Based on this method, soy protein is considered to have a similar equivalent in protein quality to animal proteins. Egg white has a score of 1.00, beef 0.92, isolated soy protein 0.92, and soy concentrate 0.99. In 1990 at an FAO/WHO meeting, it was decided that proteins having values higher than 1.0 would be rounded or "leveled down" to 1.0 as scores above 1.0 are considered to indicate that the protein contains essential amino acids in excess of the human requirements.[14] Another measure of a protein's use in nutrition is the Biological Value scale. The Biological Value method, which dates back to 1911, relies on nitrogen retention as a measurement of protein quality. Soybean protein isolate has a biological value of 74. [15]. Whole soybean has a biological value of 96, and soy milk 91. [16]" Straight from the Wiki's mouth... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_protein#Biological_value_of_soy_protein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegimator Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 How about the claim that soy isn't in fact a complete protein as it has limited amounts of a couple essential amino acids? This tends to be written quite often. I've never heard that. Check out this amino acid score - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4389/2 It's also nearly tied with beef in the PDCAAS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDCAAS#PDCAAS_value_of_protein I do think there's some legitimate concern about the phytic acid and lectins though but both of these are nullified if you eat fermented or sprouted soy. Between Wildwood's sprouted tofu and tempeh/miso, there are lots of retail options at least for people in the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaken375 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 There's no reason to not have 7 different jugs of complete protein of various sources. Soy on sunday, pea on tuesday, hemp on wednesday, spirulina on thursday, goji berry or rice on friday, wheat on saturday, anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanDoThis Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 This is bullshit, I don't even trust most of the studies done in the U.S. on Soy. It's corporate America, they tell you what makes them money, for years they have been telling us milk makes your bones stronger, well why the hell are so many many women getting diagnosed with osteoporosis. Why are so many women needing hip replacements now. Bullshit, look at the studies done in U.K at Oxford university. All the estrogen they pump into beef is what's giving so many boys bitch tits and making girls hit puberty at 9 or even 8. All nonsense. Soy will always be healthier than beef or milk or any other meat. The milk / dairy thing all came to light in The China Study by Dr. Colin Campbell. The baisc question asked was, "why do Chinese women who don't eat dairy not get osteoporosis whereas American woman do?" You're right about the estrogen and hormones in meat too. If cows are injected with hormones like estrogen so they can produce more milk, etc., then it follows there will be an effect on humans. It's no different than dumping chemicals into our water supply then expecting to drink clean water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powelifter Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Its really the dairy and meat industry that spread so much crap about soya in my opinion. Phytoestrogens always get the blame, the crazy part is many other commonly ate foods contain phytoestrogens do they make everyone gay too. People really dont understand phytoestrogens either, they are weak acting estrogens which block the receptor sites up so more harmful estrogens arent absorbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegancraze Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 OMG ROTFL @ the comments in this thread So soy gets a middle finger I s'pose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheZone Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 ok but, soy can reduce DHT levels. Take a look at this study:Study shows soy Isoflavones reduce DHT while increasing Testosteronehttp://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2009/05/soy-isoflavones-reduce-dht-increase.html Further.. there has been a study that monkeys fed soy were shown to increase submissiveness/aggressiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellar Yeti Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Just had a glass of soymilk and then proceeded to have sex with my neighbor Derek. Damn you soy. My marriage is ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penpen Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I've red a lot of shit about soy, that makes boys gay, and their penis will be not enough big, and "makes you female", but it's stupid, I eat a lot of soy and I'm not gay, and I don't have any problems Quite the contrary.Iron overload causes testicular shrinkage, erectile dysfunction, and infertility; men eating too much meat is the primary reason why their nuts shrink... and there are millions of infertile, limp-dicked meat-eaters proving this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beforewisdom Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 I am in the US. I can buy organic soy beans ( which have to be non-GMO ) for $1.39 - $1.99 per pound. I can also buy soy foods made from organic soy beans in most co-ops, Whole Foods, TJ's, most supermarkets and even a few big box stores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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