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Seems like a great documentary. Especially if you're a Whale Wars buff like me! http://www.thecovemovie.com/

3 years for me. Probably the best decision I've made. Can't see how I would ever go back for other reasons than total apocalypse.

After all the steroids he lost his balls. Now he's got one back. Hence the girl and the happy face.

Wow, this thread has heated up I know they are intelligent. What I'm saying is, nomatter how smart you are, if you only understand fractions of the problem as a whole and not take into account what you don't know, your brain will still draw conclusions. This is one way that the scientific method gets a bad reputation. The reason I bring this up is because I was at another (meat head) bodybuilding forum where someone slammed epidemiological data because he thought it was worthless. That got me thinking about why I base my knowledge on nutrition more or less only on epidemiological data. As you know, there is a huge difference between working in a field where you consistently get causative results compared to one where you get correlational ones. Every scientist wants to deal with causation although most in fact deal with correlation. This seems to be hard for people (including some scientist) to get their heads around. When it comes to nutrition, here's how I see it: 1. First you gather the ballpark overview of the problem. Is there a population that doesn't have heart disease? If so, when compared, what are the basic differences? 2. When you know the differences, you try and figure out the mechanism behind it. 1 would be correlation, 2 would be causation. We have a lot of data from 1 today. You could easily say that the more whole plant foods you eat and the less of everything else you eat the better the odds of not getting chronic diseases. When we try 2 and figure out why, the problem becomes complex in a whole new way. We're still learning about heart disease and we still don't have a cure for it, simply because we don't know the mechanisms behind it. However it happens some times that 2 negates 1 in which case the system (according to me) fucks up. Atkins is the perfect example. 500 million Chinese living on rice and veggies are obviously not fat and the don't suffer from Diabetes type 2 either. He finds support for his standpoint in science though and many, because they don't understand how science (or their brain) works, believe him. Bone strength is another perfect example of 1 vs. 2. We have the most bone fractures in the world in the western world. People in Okinawa (or rural China) don't get nearly as many bone fractures as we do even though they eat (almost exclusively) a vegan diet (certainly, there's at least no dairy). But we do know that bones contain calcium and only by this assumption we form a holistic view of the problem with only partial information, namely that if you gulp down Calcium you won't get this problem. Granted, you need Ca to to build bones but it is far from the whole picture. Amen, brother Accusing you of non-vegan propaganda is just plain wrong. I became a vegan because I challenged my views and I continue to this day to find new ways of making others and my own life better through development.

There's no causation between high intake of calcium and and lower incidence of bone fractures. Whenever I hear oversimplifications like this I just ask the question: "What don't we know about this issue?" instead of making assumptions about about a subject with perhaps only 5% of the information. The Homo Sapiens Neofrontal Cortex will try to find patterns with the information it has regardless of if the information is vital to the subject or not. If there is knowingly vital information the brain tends to ignore what it doesn't know when making decisions. Also, most decisions are made unconsciously and are only afterwords justified by the conscious part of the brain. If there are cases of calcium deficiency in adequately fed humans I know Dr McDougall wants to know about them since he then will be the first in the world to see this.

Yes, that. Also, (most) doctors are not really trained to give nutritional advice. It would be like asking a nuclear physicist about why your car doesn't start.

Spirulina. Ordered 3kg the other day. I think I go through about 1kg per month or so.

Looking good Robert!! Getting big on a vegan diet is waaayyyyyy too easy!!

Welcome! You're not the only one with cravings. I love Hönökaka and xjohanx seems to be a sex addict Seriously though, as I increase the amount of whole foods in my diet, the cravings almost stop.

Seems like a lot of work though, she's being fit and having ADD and all.....

Best stuff I've in a long time!!

1. The smell of synthetic flavors in the locker room from all the goop people drink and eat. I hate the "strawberry" the most. At my previous gym they had a shelf for "before" one for "during" and one for "after". Crazy. Real men drink spirulina for protein. That shit smells terrific. 2. People who use only one of the sides in the cable cross so that they can do triceps closer to the mirror (or whatever reason they have for doing this). There are other places that you can use for this and I need to work my pecs! 3. All the nutritional advice from know-it-alls. Makes you think that the good ole' savannah where we evolved are devoid of vegetation and is in fact just a sea of protein powder with piles of chickens that only have breasts.

It's ok to rant Your problem is not connected to veganism per se but to other factors. 1600 is not enough if you're naturally thin. There are many on this board that have been vegan for a long time who are big. I've been vegan for 3 years and I'm 6''6' weighing 245lbs.

Also makes you wonder how long it takes for you to die of "incomplete protein": Rutabagas has 1% (per weight) of protein. I would (as some others have done) cautiously raise the BS flag on the issue of complete proteins.

Here's an article by Jeff Novick on the subject: http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-complementary-protein-myth-wont-go-away.html

Diet is definitely working out for the age thing, I look and feel younger than I am (not that I have much against aging). Also calorie restriction and maybe intermittent fasting is probably useful. I've read parts of Okinawa diet (I knew most of what's stated in there already). It's an interesting concept that is pretty similar to Fuhrmans diet tips.

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Congrats on the placing! You look awesome as always!

I played Center and OL Tackle (and a little D-line from time to time) in Sweden. Played for 10 years. It's a fabulous sport!! Now I'm officiating games, it's a nice way to still have contact with the sport.

You da man Zack! Thanks for posting!

How about spirulina? I think Lean & Green can hook you up with some not so expensive. It's whole foods and I think it's healthier than isolates.

Awesome transformation and a very inspirational story behind it! Thanks for sharing!

Cool to see Ravi again, it's been awhile!

Babyboom anyone? People will have sex during the fake blackout and thus there will be more people spending more energy. In that perspective it's a shitty idea. No one cares about population control though. I believe this is the core of the problem, if we don't solve that all other things won't work. I feel like I'm in the matrix. Just my thoughts.